High altitude balloon gas expansion

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The discussion focuses on calculating the expansion of helium or hydrogen in a balloon at altitudes of 30k, 60k, and 90k feet, with a constant temperature of -30°F. The balloon must lift a total weight of 500 lbs, requiring an understanding of buoyancy and the volume needed to displace air at varying pressures. Participants emphasize the importance of using the correct atmospheric pressure values at each altitude to determine the necessary balloon size. The expansion of the gas will cease once equilibrium with the surrounding pressure is reached. Accurate unit conversion is crucial for the calculations.
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Homework Statement



Could someone help me calculate the rate of expansion of gas (helium or hydrogen) in a balloon at different altitudes.

temperature is -30f at all altitudes

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/air-altitude-pressure-d_462.html <- chart for air pressure

Homework Equations



What would the diameter of a balloon filled with helium OR hydrogen be at 30k 60k and 90k feet have to lift 500lbs total.

The Attempt at a Solution



around 23 ft at sea level
 
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I'm having trouble understanding. Is the balloon rising up at a constant speed? Is it just let go and free to rise? If you suddenly change a balloon's altitude, it would expand or contract because the atmospheric pressure is now different, but the expansion would stop once an equilibrium is reached.
 
Take the pressures from 30k, 60k and 90k, and find out how big the balloon would have to be to lift a total wieght of 500 lbs at these altitudes.
 
Gmanme said:
Take the pressures from 30k, 60k and 90k, and find out how big the balloon would have to be to lift a total wieght of 500 lbs at these altitudes.

Well you know the buoyancy required is 500 lbs. You will want to know at each of those pressures how big a volume is needed to supply the difference in weight of the air displaced and helium or hydrogen (choose one) at the same pressure.

Careful of your units.
 
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