High frequency behaviour of copper

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of copper at high frequencies, particularly whether it can act as a dielectric. Participants explore concepts such as relative permittivity, skin depth, and practical applications in communication technologies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether copper behaves as a dielectric at high frequencies, referencing the loss tangent and relative permittivity of metals.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the definition of "high frequencies" and notes that copper performs well up to at least 100 GHz.
  • A different participant suggests that metals can act like dielectrics above the plasma frequency, which is in the PHz range, referencing plasma oscillation.
  • One participant challenges the interpretation of the Wikipedia link regarding copper's dielectric properties and specifies their interest in frequencies used for communication.
  • Another participant discusses the use of copper in communication technologies, mentioning that frequencies above 40 GHz are common in applications like microwave links and vehicular radar.
  • A participant requests information on the relative permittivity of metals and seeks reliable sources for further reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of copper at high frequencies, particularly regarding its dielectric properties and the definition of high frequencies. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of high frequencies and the relative permittivity of metals, which are not fully clarified. The implications of skin depth at high frequencies are also not thoroughly explored.

debajyoti datta
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Will copper behave as a dielectric in high frequencies?...I tried to answer the question with loss tangent but relative permittivity of copper posed a problem...everyone on internet opines differently about relative permittivity of metals...then I looked at skin depth which decreases with frequency...but with appreciable high frequency also...skin depth is not zero...please through some light !
 
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debajyoti datta said:
Will copper behave as a dielectric in high frequencies?...

what is your definition of high frequencies ?
copper still works well at least to 100 GHz

Dave
 
@Khashishi wikipedia link does not mention that it works as dielectric...@davenn i am talking about highest frequency used for communication purposes
 
debajyoti datta said:
i am talking about highest frequency used for communication purposes

tho there is stuff above 40 GHz ... 38GHz is pretty common for microwave links between cell towers etc

there's no problems using copper PCB tracks at these frequencies, waveguide is always used to get the signal to and from the antennas

most commercial stuff above 40 GHz is vehicular crash avoidance radar etc
 
thanks...and would you please say something about relative permittivity of metals ? ...or at least tell me some reliable sources to read.
 

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