High-Precision 60 Hz Sine Wave Generator for Circuit Elements

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The discussion revolves around designing a high-precision 60 Hz sine wave generator suitable for circuit elements, focusing on low harmonic distortion and precise amplitude. Participants explore various methods for generating and synchronizing the sine wave with a reference frequency of approximately 30 kHz.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant specifies the need for a 60 Hz sine wave with low harmonic distortion (1-2%) and a precision amplitude of about 2.5 volts, synchronized with a 30 kHz reference frequency.
  • Another participant suggests using a Wein bridge sine wave oscillator as a potential solution.
  • A different participant proposes dividing the 30 kHz signal by 500 and filtering it to achieve the desired sine wave.
  • One participant discusses modifying the Wein bridge oscillator to incorporate a precision rectifier and suggests a specific division sequence to achieve a square wave output.
  • Concerns are raised about synchronizing the sine wave generator to the 30 kHz reference, with one participant mentioning the use of a microcontroller (uC) for generating a 60 Hz digital signal.
  • Another participant questions how to develop a 60 Hz sine wave from a square wave while maintaining low distortion, suggesting that 5% harmonic distortion might be acceptable.
  • One participant proposes using a Digital-to-Analog Converter (DAC) and filtering to create the sine wave.
  • A participant introduces the ICL 8038 function generator chip as a potential solution, noting its ability to produce sine, triangle, and square waves and its control via DC voltage.
  • Another participant shares a microcontroller approach that involves syncing the uC clock to the 30 kHz signal and using PWM to generate the sine wave, emphasizing the need for precise locking to avoid aliasing.
  • One participant mentions the MAX038 IC as a possible component for generating the required frequency, although concerns about phase locking to the external signal are noted.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on the methods for generating the sine wave, with no consensus reached on a single approach. Various ideas and modifications are proposed, indicating an ongoing exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the synchronization of the sine wave generator with the 30 kHz reference and the acceptable levels of harmonic distortion. There are also unresolved details regarding the implementation of specific circuit designs and components.

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As a circuit element I need a 60 Hz sinewave with low harmonic distortion (maybe 1-2% max.) and precision amplitude (1-2% max) of about 2.5 volts.

It should be syncronous with an input reference frequency. The reference is about 30KHz and is some as-yet-undetermined multiple of 60 Hz.
 
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How about dividing 30KHz by 500 and filtering it out?
 
It looks like opamp #2 in my previous post (Wein bridge oscillator) is a precision rectifier with a square wave output. Replace this with the 500th (or whatever) subharmonic of your 30 kHz oscillator. The last digital division in your chain should be a divide by two to assure a 50% duty cycle square wave output. 30 kHz; divide first by 10 by 5 by 5 then by 2.

Bob S
 
I've printed out the wein bridge oscillator so I can dwell on it later. But how can I sync it to 30KHz? I will invariably require a uC for other tasks so that I can develop a 60 Hz digital signal off the 30K, however, so I do have a source of 60Hz digital I might sync to.
 
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How about dividing 30KHz by 500 and filtering it out?

That's an OK idea. If I had a 60Hz square wave, how would I develop a 60 Hz sine wave with 2% distortion with 1/2% resistors and 2% caps, more or less?

That's pretty narrow. Maybe 5% harmonic distortion is OK. I'm not that familiar with distortion on load devices.
 
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How about just using a DAC and filtering around 60Hz?
 
I wonder how something like this would go?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4222062/60%20Hz%20sinewave.PNG

The ICL 8038 function generator chip is apparently still available. It gives simultaneous sine, triangle and square waves out and can be controlled by a DC voltage. It has a linear frequency vs DC current relationship.

So, you could compare the square wave with an incoming square wave in a phase comparator and use the difference to control the 8038 oscillation frequency. The square wave out requires a pullup resistor.

Then take the sinewave out on the same frequency. Output is about 200 mV at 1 K output impedance. There are controls available to optimise distortion.

The application sheets describe something quite similar to the above.
 
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All good ideas.

Since posting originally, I came up with a microcontroller idea. To my suprize, you can sync the uC clock of some of the motorola family of processors to an external source like ~30KHz. I've got to double check this information. I hope this is true, without locking onto a close-by match between the processor oscillator and the incoming freq.

If so, I'll drive an interrupt input with the 30KHz signal as well. The controller clock has to lock faithfully or I end up with aliasing due to variable delay from the time the 30Khz edge is presented to the interrupt and the time it's noticed. Then I'll use one of the pulse width modulation (PWM) outputs driven by a look-up table with 500 values and filter it with an RC filter to get 60 Hz with a known amplitude good to maybe 2-2.5%. The PWM is less hardware than using an external DAC which would work, as well.
 
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Thanks, berkemen. I've bookmarked it just in case. The site may also be a good source of other circuit blocks too. I'm all for plagiarism and adapting where I can get it. Why reinvent the wheel? In my own recent searching of the internet I haven't found many good circuit-block sites.
 

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