High school project - water bottle rocket

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The discussion centers on a high school project involving water-bottle rockets, specifically measuring the force output based on varying water-air ratios. The student aims to determine the theoretical maximum height of the rocket using force sensors and the equation F = ma, while grappling with fluctuating force data and the challenge of changing mass during flight. Key insights include the need to incorporate impulse and momentum equations, particularly dp/dt = v*dm/dt + m*dv/dt, to accurately model the rocket's behavior. The student also seeks clarification on the concept of specific impulse in relation to force and weight.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Newton's second law (F = ma)
  • Basic knowledge of impulse and momentum (dp/dt = v*dm/dt + m*dv/dt)
  • Familiarity with force sensors and data interpretation
  • Concept of specific impulse in rocket propulsion
NEXT STEPS
  • Research the application of the impulse-momentum theorem in rocket dynamics
  • Learn how to derive equations for maximum height in projectile motion
  • Explore the effects of air resistance on rocket flight trajectories
  • Investigate methods for graphing distance over time for variable mass systems
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High school physics students, educators in STEM fields, and hobbyists interested in rocketry and experimental physics will benefit from this discussion.

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Greetings ladies and gentlemen,

I'm a high schooler, currently involved with a project regarding water-bottle rockets. My goal is to measure the force output of various water-air ratios of a water-rocket through force-sensors, and from that determine the maximum height reached by the rocket and I come here because I am in a bit of a predicament and would like to brainstorm with you to overcome my own insufficiencies.

Initially I thought of using F = ma (or, in this case, a = F/m), but the problems started after that and I got strange numbers.

In any case, what I ask of you is to aid me in finding a working equation for determining the (theoretical) maximum height reached by the water-bottle rocket, I'll include air resistance later on, but first I'd rather have this part sorted out (with gravity included).

The Force sensors recorded the force output of the water-rockets during a timespan of roughly 0.25 seconds, and I have a graph of fluctuating force (fluctuations are probably due to the equipment used), a peak at the beginning and gradual decline, which is to be expected. I kept the pressure constant at 2.5 bar.

I can't provide you with any specific numbers (at least not at this time), and my goal is to find something that can provide me with a distance(time) graph of the water-rocket, I'm at a loss as to how to approach this.

Thank you for your time.

[also, additional question, is the 'specific impulse' the impulse of the force graph divided by weight (mass*gravity)?]
 
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have you learned how to take derivatives yet?

If you're using F = ma, and the rocket is spitting out water, then you have to consider that m is changing too. I'll throws some equations out there

F = dp/dt <--- this is impulse

p = mv <---- impulse is the time-derivative of this, momentum

dp/dt = v*dm/dt + m*dv/dt <--- here's what happens when you take the derivative of momentum

so F = v*dm/dt + ma

where v is velocity, m is mass, a is acceleration, and t is time.
 

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