Homeomorphism and diffeomorphism

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of homeomorphism and diffeomorphism in the context of mathematical functions, particularly focusing on the function f(x) = x³ and its inverse. Participants are exploring the definitions and implications of these concepts in relation to continuity and differentiability.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the criteria for a function to be classified as C^{\infty} and discussing the implications of derivatives of all orders. There is also exploration of why the inverse function is not smooth at x=0, despite the original function having multiple derivatives.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants clarifying misunderstandings about differentiability and continuity. Some have suggested that the inverse function can be smooth if defined on a restricted domain, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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There is a focus on the definitions of homeomorphism and diffeomorphism, with specific attention to the behavior of functions and their inverses at critical points, such as x=0.

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I have some problems with understanding these two things.

Homeomoprhism is a function f f: M\rightarrow N is a homeomorphism if if is bijective and invertible and if both f, f^{-1} are continuous.
Here comes an example, let's take function
f(x) = x^{3} it is clear that f(x) is continuous and bijective and at the same f^{-1}(x)\rightarrow x^{\frac{1}{3}} is also continuous which indicates that f is a homeomorphism. No strange things here

Diffeomorphism- given two manifolds M, N and a bijective map f is called a diffeomorphism if both
f: M\Rightarrow N
f^{-1}: N\Rightarrow M are of class C^{\infty} (if these functions have derivatives of all orders) f is called diffeomorphism


Going back to my example.

f is clearly a homeomorphism but :

why is f(x)=x^{3} of a class C^{\infty}?? what do they mean by 'all orders'
\frac{df}{dx}=3x^{2}
\frac{d^2f}{dx^2}=6x
\frac{d^3f}{dx^3}=6
\frac{d^4f}{dx^4}=0...


and its inversion
f^{-1}=x^{\frac{1}{3}} is not of a C^{\infty}...because
\frac{df^{-1}}{dx}=\frac{1}{3}x^{\frac{-2}{3}}
it is not definied at x=0
 
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So f is a homeomorphism but not a diffeomorphism. What's wrong with that?
 
nothing is wrong with that, you did not read my message carefully and overlooked what I was asking for. The problem was that I did not exactly understand the concept of a function which has derivatives of all orders, what do they mean by that?
Apparently f has 4 derivatives until we get 0 but why its inversion is not a smooth function (because it is not definied at x=0?)

We could differentiate the inversion function as many times as we wanted to...
 
rayman123 said:
nothing is wrong with that, you did not read my message carefully. The problem was that I did not exactly understand the concept of a function which has derivatives of all orders, what do they mean by that?
Apparently f has 4 derivatives until we get 0 but why its inversion is not a smooth function (because it is not definied at x=0?)

We could differentiate the inversion function as many times as we wanted to...

f is C^infinity. It has derivatives of all orders. f^(-1) isn't. It isn't even differentiable at 0. On the other hand if you define them on a domain that doesn't include 0, like [1,infinity) then they are both C^infinity and it's also a diffeomorphism.
 

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