Horses have heads Symbolic Logic

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The discussion revolves around the representation of the sentence "Horses have heads" in first-order predicate calculus. Participants explore different formulations and their implications, focusing on the correct interpretation of the terms involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 proposes two possible representations: (1) stating that if something is a horse, then it has a head, and (2) suggesting that for every horse and every head, the horse has that head.
  • Post 2 challenges the second representation, arguing that it implies a horse has all heads, which is not accurate.
  • Post 3 expresses uncertainty about the correctness of the first representation and seeks clarification on the implications of the second representation, questioning how it could be interpreted as a single horse having multiple heads.
  • Post 4 uses a hypothetical scenario to illustrate the implications of the second representation, questioning the validity of the statement that a horse has a specific head.
  • Post 5 seeks clarification on the nature of the predicates involved, confirming that "HORSE" and "HEAD" are one-place predicates while "HAS" is a two-place predicate, and proposes an alternative representation that suggests a horse has at least one head.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct representation of the sentence. There is disagreement regarding the implications of the second proposed formula, and uncertainty about the correctness of the first representation persists.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in understanding the implications of the proposed formulas, particularly regarding the quantifiers and the relationships between horses and heads.

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"Horses have heads" Symbolic Logic

I was given this sentence to represent in first-order predicate calculus.
The formula must use the following terms--horse, has, head--where:

"horse" represents "x is a horse"
"has" represents "x has a head"
"head" represents "x is a head"


Are these possibilities?
1) (x)(horsex-->hasxhead) which means(?) "For all x, if x is a horse then x has a
head"

2) (x)(y)((horsex & heady)-->hasxy) which means(?) "For all x and for all y, if x is a horse and y is a head, then x has y"


If not, how can "Horses have heads" be represented using these specification? Thank you.
 
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The second is not true- a horse does not have all heads!
2) says "every horse has every head".
The first looks to me like a correct statement.
 
Thank you. I am not positive that (1) correctly represents the sentence.

Regarding (2): you said the formula is stating "a horse has all heads" Does it really?
If so, I don't understand how it says that. If it's saying a single horse has all entities (which is plural) that are heads, why wouldn't it say "all horses have all heads". That is, I don't understand why it would say a single horse has multiple heads as opposed to saying multiple, i.e. all, horses have multiple, i.e. all, heads.
I suppose I'm asking if you can explain how (2) says what you claimed; how (2) is incorrect. Thank you.
 
You said:
2) (x)(y)((horsex & heady)-->hasxy) which means(?) "For all x and for all y, if x is a horse and y is a head, then x has y"

Okay, here is a horse, x, standing just over that fence, and here is a head, y, between my shoulders. Does x have y? You did say "for all x and for all y".
 
Just to get things straight, HORSE and HEAD are one-place predicates, and HAS is a two-place predicate, right?

I think what you want is (Ax)[HORSEx --> (Ey)[HEADy & HASxy]].
 

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