How an object in translatory motion comes to rotary motion

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The discussion revolves around the transition from translatory motion to rotary motion in the context of a collision between two high-speed vehicles. Participants explore the mechanics of how such a collision can result in the vehicles rotating together, considering factors like momentum and friction.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario where two vehicles collide and begin to rotate together, questioning how this rotary motion arises from their initial translatory motion.
  • Another participant references a video of a similar accident and emphasizes the role of friction, hinting at its contribution to the observed phenomena.
  • A participant mentions the conservation of angular momentum in collisions, suggesting that if the cars do not collide head-on, they retain angular momentum about their center of mass, which contributes to their subsequent rotation.
  • It is noted that if one vehicle is moving faster and off to the side, the combined system of the two vehicles already possesses rotary motion about their center of mass prior to the collision.
  • Discussion includes the impact of throttle engagement on the vehicles during the collision, with a focus on how this affects their motion post-collision.
  • Another participant highlights that in ground collisions, the Earth is part of the system, and angular and linear momentum conservation must account for frictional effects, contrasting this with collisions on surfaces like ice where friction is minimal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the mechanics of motion during and after the collision, particularly concerning the roles of angular momentum and friction. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference conservation laws and the effects of friction, but there are limitations in the assumptions made about the conditions of the collision, such as the exact nature of the impact and the surface involved.

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In a car race two motar vehicles are moving with very high speed , they have collided got coneected each other and started rotating together .
Becuase they are in motion according to Newtons first law they are continued with motion,
but how did they got rotary motion ?
 
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You mean this accident?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70LYG8jYd98

Don't forget friction and think - where does the smoke around wheels comes from?.
 
hi srivi! :smile:

as you know, in every collision, https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=53" is conserved

also, https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=313" is conserved …

if the two cars do not collide exactly head on, then before the collision they have a non-zero angular momentum about their combined centre of mass …

so they still have that angular momentum after, when they're connected :wink:

(and if they don't stay connected, then each car will rotate unless the line of the https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=340" of the collision is through its own centre of mass)
 
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If one of the cars, off to one side of the other, is moving faster, then the system, that is, the two cars together, already has a rotary motion about their center of mass.

In Borek's clip, at least one of the motorcycles, probably both, still has its throttle on.
 
HallsofIvy said:
In Borek's clip, at least one of the motorcycles, probably both, still has its throttle on.
The green bike is the one with it's rear tire touching the pavement and spinning the bikes.

For collisions in space, angular momentum is preserved. For collisions on the ground, the Earth is part of the system, and angular and linear momentum are conserved only if you take into account the effect on the earth, due to friction between the tires and the pavement causing some tiny effec on the earth. If the collision occurred on ice, or very slick pavement, then friction would take much longer to slow down the movements after a collision.
 

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