How Are Dual Vector Components Determined by Basis Vectors?

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The discussion centers around the determination of dual vector components by basis vectors within the context of dual spaces in linear algebra. Participants explore the implications of dual vectors being defined by their action on basis vectors, questioning the variability of components and the assumptions underlying the equations presented.

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  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the statement that dual vector components are determined solely by their values on basis vectors, questioning whether this implies that components are invariant across different bases.
  • The same participant raises a concern about the assumption that the equation ##e^i(e_j) = \delta^i_j## holds for all bases, suggesting that there may be orthonormal bases where this does not apply.
  • Another participant introduces the Riesz Representation theorem, indicating that functionals can be expressed as inner products with vectors in the space, implying a connection to the same basis set for representation.
  • A follow-up question seeks clarification on the term "vector form," specifically asking if it refers to a differential form or covector.
  • A participant clarifies that "vector form" refers to the notation ##f_i = f(e_i)## used earlier in the discussion.

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Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are differing interpretations regarding the implications of dual vector components and the assumptions about basis vectors. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple viewpoints presented.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the applicability of the equations to different types of bases, and the discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the relationship between dual spaces and their representations.

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Hi everyone,

So I'm going through a chapter on dual spaces and I came across this:

"A key property of any dual vector ##f## is that it is entirely determined by its values on basis vectors.

## f_i \equiv f(e_i) ##

which we refer to as the components of ##f## in the basis ##{e_i}##, this is justified by

##e^i(e_j) = \delta^i_j## "

-- This doesn't make any sense to me. How are the components of the dual space only dependent on the basis of V? Wouldn't that mean the components are always the same? I thought the whole point of components was that they varied.

Also, is the second equation assuming a cartesian basis? (not sure what the technical term is) Because I can think of some orthonormal bases for which this doesn't hold. i.e. I can think of some orthonormal basis where 'picking off' the ith component does not yield 1.

I'm obviously confused.

Dual spaces in general just confuse me, I understand that the dual space is the set of linear functionals on V, and that they can be represented as 1-forms, but as far as the details go (coordinates and bases of the dual space) I'm completely lost. Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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Using the Riesz Representation of functionals in an inner-product space, you can express any functional as an inner product with a vector in the space. Implying that you would use the same basis set to express the representation (i.e. vector form).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riesz_representation_theorem
 
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Using the Riesz Representation of functionals in an inner-product space, you can express any functional as an inner product with a vector in the space. Implying that you would use the same basis set to express the representation (i.e. vector form).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riesz_representation_theorem

Could you expand what you mean by 'vector form'? Are you talking about a differential form (covector)?
 
The vector form I was referring to is just the ##f_i = f(e_i)## notation you used.
 
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