How are Superconducting Coils charged?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the methods of charging superconducting coils, particularly in the context of energy storage and power regulation. Participants explore the mechanisms for introducing current into superconducting solenoids and the implications of maintaining and manipulating that current.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that superconductors can store energy in magnetic fields due to the ability of current to persist indefinitely.
  • One participant suggests that charging superconducting coils involves connecting them to a power source, with power extraction occurring in reverse.
  • A participant proposes that to introduce current into a closed-loop superconducting solenoid, a heater is used to temporarily make part of the wire resistive, allowing current to be ramped up before returning to superconducting state.
  • Another participant questions the distinction between normal electronics and superconducting magnet power supplies, prompting clarification that superconducting supplies are specifically designed for low-voltage, high-current applications with additional features like quench protection.
  • One participant expresses concern about the feasibility of maintaining high currents in non-superconducting wires and inquires about the process of further charging an already charged loop.
  • A later reply clarifies that existing current does not need to be dumped; instead, the heater can be activated to allow current to flow from the power supply for adjustments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the charging process and the role of superconducting power supplies, with some points of clarification but no consensus on all aspects of the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific operational conditions, such as critical temperature and the design of power supplies, which may not be universally applicable or fully detailed in the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying superconductivity, electrical engineering, or energy storage technologies, as well as practitioners involved in the design and operation of superconducting systems.

John Morrell
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Superconductors can be used to store energy in the form of magnetic fields, because the current in a superconductor can persist indefinitely. In fact, some large power grids are already using this as a way to regulate power flow in the grid.

My question is how are the coils "charged"? How do we get current into them, and how do we get useful power out of them?
 
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You charge them by attaching them to a power source.
You get useful power out by the same method only in reverse.

The puzzle is that you didn't already figure this out, so I'm guessing you have some objection?
 
I am guessing the question is really how you get current into a superconducting solenoid if it is a closed loop?
The answer is that you use a heater to heat a piece of the superconducting wire above the critical temperature; this makes it resistive and you can then use a normal current source to ramp up the current in remaining solenoid (no current will flow into the resistive bit since the resistance of the rest of the wire is essentially zero). Once you've reached the desired current you can turn off the heater, when the temperature of the piece of wire goes below Tc it becomes superconducting again and all the current will flow around the (now closed) solenoid, in a well designed magnet the current will decay very, very slowly. This is what is known as persistent mode.

Power supplies meant for superconducting magnets do all of this automatically. However, you can also do it using "normal" electronics. I've built a couple of small solenoids that could be put into persistent mode and they actually worked quite well.
 
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f95toli said:
However, you can also do it using "normal" electronics.

What exactly is abnormal about regular superconducting magnet power supplies?

BoB
 
That makes sense. I didn't initially think of this simply because I thought that it would be really difficult to generate or maintain really high currents in a non-superconducting wire like that for any length of time without melting wires and stuff.

I'm still curious though, if you have a loop already charged up and you want to charge it up further, would you just have to dump all the existing current into your charging device until you could further increase the current?

It's all a bit weird to think of, I guess, because I'm used to power sources applying voltages instead of currents...
 
rbelli1 said:
What exactly is abnormal about regular superconducting magnet power supplies?

BoB

There is nothing "abnormal" about them. However, they are explicitly designed to work with superconducting solenoids; meaning they are low-voltage (1-2V ) high current (60-120A) supplies with features such outputs for the heater and -more importantly- quench protection. This means that these supplies can not be used to e.g. drive a normal solenoid.
 
John Morrell said:
I'm still curious though, if you have a loop already charged up and you want to charge it up further, would you just have to dump all the existing current into your charging device until you could further increase the current?

No, the supplies are designed so that you can just turn on the heater; this will then make the current flow via the supply and then you can ramp the current up/down.
 

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