What limits superconducting machine power density?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the limitations of power density in superconducting machines, particularly focusing on electric generators and motors that utilize superconductive coils. Participants explore the factors affecting power density in coreless designs and the maximum current that can be passed through superconducting wires without generating heat or resistivity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the limitations of power density in coreless superconducting designs, suggesting that high current could theoretically lead to high power density.
  • Another participant asserts that there is a maximum current limit for superconducting wires, which is influenced by the magnetic flux within the superconductor.
  • It is noted that the Meissner state, which is a characteristic of superconductors, can break down when the applied magnetic field exceeds a certain strength.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the idea of simply increasing current indefinitely in superconducting wires, highlighting that they eventually transition to a normal state.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the limits of power density in superconducting machines. There are competing views regarding the feasibility of increasing current and the implications of the Meissner effect.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the magnetic flux and the conditions under which the Meissner state can break down, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Hi. There has been a fair amount of research into electric generators and motors with superconductive coils. If traditional iron cores is used that obviously limits the power density because of the iron cores magnetic saturation point. But for coreless/ironless designs i don't understand what limits the power density? From what i have read they are talking about 20 kW/kg with current designs and maybe up to 30-50 kW/kg in the future. But can you not just pump as much current as you want into a superconducting wire without generating any heat or resistivity and therefore have almost as big of a power density as you want (as long as it can mechanically handle the torque and speed)? What limits the current able to be passed trough a superconducting wire?
 
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Stormer said:
But can you not just pump as much current as you want into a superconducting wire

No.

Eventually it goes normal.
 
Stormer said:
What limits the current able to be passed trough a superconducting wire?
There is a maximum current limit determined by the magnetic flux in the superconductor.
The Meissner state breaks down when the applied magnetic field is too strong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductivity#Meissner_effect
 
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