How can I simplify this summation problem?

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The original poster is working on simplifying the summation problem involving the expression 41.25 \(\sum_{n=0}^{24} \frac{n}{x^n}\). They express difficulty in computing the summation directly and seek a simpler method to evaluate it.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants suggest using generating functions as a potential method for simplification. Others discuss the derivative of a related function and its connection to the original summation, raising questions about how these concepts relate to the problem at hand.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to simplify the summation. There is recognition of the potential usefulness of derivatives and generating functions, but the original poster expresses confusion about how these methods apply to their specific problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly identifying the upper limit of the summation as 24, not 4, which may influence the methods discussed. The original poster also indicates a desire for a faster computation method, highlighting the constraints of their current approach.

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Hi... I am working on a problem...

[tex]41.25 \sum_{n=0}^\24 \frac{n}{x^n}[/tex]

(on the top of the Sigma, it should say 24, NOT 4)

I am searching, but can't seem to find a way to reduce that.

Computing that up to [tex]n=24[/itex] is pretty tedious...<br /> <br /> Anybody know if there is a simpler way to compute this?[/tex]
 
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You mean
[tex]41.25 \sum_{n=0}^{24} \frac{n}{x^n}[/tex]

I'm pretty sure this can be simplified by a generating function, step 1 is to get x only in positive powers by factoring out x-24.
 
Yea that's what I meant...
 
The g.f. you are looking for generates 24, 23, 22, 21, ... 3, 2, 1, 0, 0, 0, ... (you can see that, right?)
So step 1 is to find the g.f. for the sequence 0, -1, -2, -3, etc.
Step 2 is to find the g.f. for the sequence 24, 24, 24 and then add it to the g.f. from step 1 to get 24, 23, ... 1, 0, -1, -2, -3, ...
Step 3 is to find the g.f. that generates 25 0's and then generates 1, 2, 3, ... Then add it to the summed g.f. from step 2 (to get rid of the negative terms in that g.f.) and you have the function you want.
 
Thank you Orthodontist... yea i can see your method it looks good!
Thanks!
 
What's the derivative of the following function?

[tex] f(x) = \sum_{n = 0}^{24} x^{-n}[/tex]
 
Im sorry Latex is difficult to write in...

but f'(x) = sum(n=1,24) -nx^(-n-1)

Is that correct?
 
Yep. And that looks an awful lot like the sum you wanted. (And, to boot, you already know how to compute my sum!)
 
Im sorry... I don't see how that makes it any easier?
 
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Because you already know a simpler expression for [itex] f(x) = \sum_{n = 0}^{24} x^{-n}[/itex]
 
  • #11
O I am so confused right now...

I was actually looking for a FAST way to compute [tex]41.25 \sum_{n=0}^{24} \frac{n}{x^n}[/tex]

(it is 24 on top of the sigma, not 4)

I'm confused because I don't know what taking the first derivative of [tex]f(x) = \sum_{n = 0}^{24} x^{-n}[/tex] had to do with anything
 
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rad0786 said:
I'm confused because I don't know what taking the first derivative of [tex]f(x) = \sum_{n = 0}^{24} x^{-n}[/tex] had to do with anything

Take the derivative, then modify it to look like the sum you are after.

You have a simple expression for f(x), it's a geometric series, so you can write it in a form without the summation. Follow the same steps (differentiate, etc.) and you will have the sum you are after in a a nice closed form (no summation)
 
  • #13
ohhh okay... now this is making a lot more sense...wow...
 

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