How Can I Simplify and Solve the Einstein Summation Convention Problem?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Einstein summation convention in simplifying and solving an expression involving tensors and the Levi-Civita symbol. Participants are exploring how to manipulate the expression to reach a clearer form.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial expression and the use of Kronecker deltas to simplify the indices. Questions arise about how to effectively sum over indices and the implications of the resulting terms.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and guidance on how to proceed with the simplification, noting that summing over specific indices can lead to clearer results. There is an acknowledgment of progress made by some in the discussion, but no explicit consensus on a final solution.

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Participants express confusion regarding the complexity of the terms involved and seek methods to digest the problem more simply. The original poster indicates a struggle with the number of terms and the overall clarity of the problem.

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Homework Statement
Solve ##a_i \, b_j \, c_k \, \epsilon_{ij \ell} \, \epsilon_{3k \ell}##
Relevant Equations
See Below ##\longrightarrow##
Attempted Solution:
$$a_i \, b_j \, c_k \, \epsilon_{ij \ell} \, \epsilon_{3k \ell}$$
$$a_i\, b_j\, c_k\, (\delta_{i3} \, \delta_{jk} - \, \delta_{ik}\, \delta_{j3})$$

Beyond this, though, I am quite lost. I know I am very close to the answer, but seeing this many terms can become fairly confusing for me. Is there a way or method to better (and simply) digest the above problem and solve it?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
 
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Athenian said:
Homework Statement:: Solve ##a_i \, b_j \, c_k \, \epsilon_{ij \ell} \, \epsilon_{3k \ell}##
Relevant Equations:: See Below ##\longrightarrow##

Attempted Solution:
$$a_i \, b_j \, c_k \, \epsilon_{ij \ell} \, \epsilon_{3k \ell}$$
$$a_i\, b_j\, c_k\, (\delta_{i3} \, \delta_{jk} - \, \delta_{ik}\, \delta_{j3})$$

Beyond this, though, I am quite lost. I know I am very close to the answer, but seeing this many terms can become fairly confusing for me. Is there a way or method to better (and simply) digest the above problem and solve it?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
That's the correct first step. Now, each Kronecker delta can be used to get rid of one of the indices that appears in it. For example, what happens if you sum over the index "i"?
 
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@nrqed, thank you for the helpful hint and guidance! I was finally able to figure it out as seen below:

Continuing where I left off:
$$a_i \, b_j \, c_k \, \delta_{i3} \, \delta_{jk} - a_i \, b_j \, c_k \, \delta_{ik} \, \delta_{j3}$$
$$\Rightarrow a_3 \, b_k \, c_k - a_i \, b_c \, c_i$$
$$\Rightarrow a_3 (b \cdot c) - b_3 (c \cdot a)$$

Thank you for all your help!
 
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Athenian said:
@nrqed, thank you for the helpful hint and guidance! I was finally able to figure it out as seen below:

Continuing where I left off:
$$a_i \, b_j \, c_k \, \delta_{i3} \, \delta_{jk} - a_i \, b_j \, c_k \, \delta_{ik} \, \delta_{j3}$$
$$\Rightarrow a_3 \, b_k \, c_k - a_i \, b_c \, c_i$$
$$\Rightarrow a_3 (b \cdot c) - b_3 (c \cdot a)$$

Thank you for all your help!
Good job!
 
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