How Can Vector Calculus Help Understand Differential Geometry in Terms of Forms?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between vector calculus and differential geometry, specifically focusing on the identity involving the exterior derivative of wedge products of 1-forms. Participants are exploring how to express this identity using vector calculus concepts.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster expresses confusion about the identity and seeks clarification on the concepts involved. Some participants attempt to relate the exterior derivative to vector calculus operations like divergence, gradient, and curl. Others discuss the nature of the wedge product compared to the cross product and its generalization across dimensions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, with some providing insights into the relationships between the mathematical objects involved. There is a mix of understanding and uncertainty, with various interpretations being explored regarding the definitions and properties of the wedge product and exterior derivatives.

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Some participants note the importance of understanding the foundational concepts before attempting to solve the problem. There is also mention of an isomorphism between spaces of 1-forms and vector fields, which adds complexity to the discussion.

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if \alpha, \alpha' \in \Omega^1. Rewrite the identity,

d(\alpha \wedge \alpha')=d \alpha \wedge \alpha' - \alpha \wedge d \alpha' in terms of vector calculus.

I have absolutely no idea what is going on here. So if anybody could explain to me a) what this is all about and b) how to go about doing it, that would be great.

Cheers.
 
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The identity you're looking for is \nabla \cdot ( \alpha \times \alpha') =(\nabla \times \alpha) \cdot \alpha' - \alpha \cdot (\nabla \times \alpha'). Do you know how the exterior derivative is related to div, grad and curl? Do you know how the wedge product is related to the cross and dot products?
 
i don't know how the exterior derivative is related to grad div and curl

and i was under the impression that the wedge product was the cross product?
 
The wedge product of 1-forms is related to the cross product. The wedge product is a more general thing that is defined in all dimensions, whereas the cross product is only defined in three dimensions.

The gradient of vector calculus corresponds to the exterior derivative of functions, the curl corresponds the exterior derivative of 1-forms, and the divergence corresponds to the exterior derivative of 2-forms.

It is essential that you first learn about these ideas before attempting this problem.
 
latentcorpse said:
and i was under the impression that the wedge product was the cross product?

Nooo … the wedge product is a 2-form, and the cross product is a pseudovector.

The dual 1-form (in 3-dimensional space) of the wedge product corresponds to the cross product. :wink:

EDIT: There's a good explanation, and a nice diagram, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_product#Cross_product_as_an_exterior_product :wink:
 
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but \alpha,\alpha' \in \Omega^1 i.e. they are one forms. if there was an isomorphism (there is one given in the diagram that came with the question) \Phi_1 that maps \Phi_1: \Omega^1 \rightarrow X then surely my answer should be

\nabla \cdot (\Phi_1(\alpha) \times \Phi_1(\alpha'))= \nabla \times \Phi_1(\alpha) \cdot \Phi_1(\alpha') - \Phi_1(\alpha) \cdot \nabla \times \Phi_1(\alpha')

note that \Omega^1 is the space of 1-forms and X is the space of vector fields in \maathbb{R}^3
 
Hi latentcorpse! :smile:

(have an alpha: α and a phi: Φ and a del: ∇ and a dot: · :wink:)

Yes, you should use a different letter, say a, to show that it's a vector (field) …

∇·(a x a') = (∇ x a)·a' - a·(∇ x a') :smile:
 

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