How certain is the uncertainty principle?

In summary: We can't predict with 100% certainty what will happen when we approach an infinitesimally small value. This is what I meant by approaching an infinitesimally small value. It's possible that this could create a black hole, but we don't know for sure.
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How accurate of a measurement can we make on the position of a particle? I heard you need more and more energy to get a measurement more accurate. Would the energy needed to be infinitesimal accurate create a black hole upon. Measurement?
 
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An infinitesimal is not a finite number.
 
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dsaun777 said:
I heard you need more and more energy to get a measurement more accurate.
From where? Please give a reference.
 
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PeterDonis said:
From where? Please give a reference.
Leonard susskind
 
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dsaun777 said:
Leonard susskind
That's not a reference, it's just a name. What specific textbook, paper, etc?
 
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PeterDonis said:
That's not a reference, it's just a name. What specific textbook, paper, etc?
I can't remember the exact paper or lecture yet. I will look for it and find it, not without some uncertainty...
 
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PeroK said:
An infinitesimal is not a finite number.
I meant approaching an infinitesimally small value.
 
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Weren't you a math major? You should know that a big plate of words is less helpful than an equation. And an undefined pointer to this big mess of words less so.

Can you write down your thoughts using equations?
 
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dsaun777 said:
How accurate of a measurement can we make on the position of a particle? I heard you need more and more energy to get a measurement more accurate. Would the energy needed to be infinitesimal accurate create a black hole upon. Measurement?
If I understand it right you mean that, just like in fourier transform, the more accurate you want to decompose a signal in time, the higher energy or frequenecy components to you need in the spectrum.

Similarly the more you want to determined position the larger momentum range do you need to get the information to confine the position. And this implies also focusing alot of energy to almost a point, and at some point general relativity my suggest that a microscopic black hole may be created, which for other reasons than heisenbergs HUP limits our the ability of an external observer to probe into the small end of the continuum.

But as long as we have no unification of QM and GR, there is no definitive answer to this, as classical GR mainly refers to cosmological scale blackholes, not microscopic ones. QM, GR or both might need to be adjusted here. So it's a valid question I think.

/Fredrik
 
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Yes, this is basically the situation I was referring to. I apologize for not making this statement more mathematically but I don't really see the need to. Despite my meager background in mathematics, I thought equations weren't necessary to start the discussion. But I would like to see mathematics also.
 
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We are pretty certain in uncertainty.
 

FAQ: How certain is the uncertainty principle?

1. What is the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle?

The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is a fundamental concept in quantum mechanics that states it is impossible to simultaneously know both the exact position and exact momentum of a particle. The more accurately you know one of these values, the less accurately you can know the other. This principle highlights the intrinsic limitations of measurement at the quantum level.

2. How certain is the uncertainty principle in practice?

The uncertainty principle is a well-established principle in quantum mechanics, supported by extensive experimental evidence. It is not merely a theoretical construct but has been confirmed through numerous experiments involving particles such as electrons and photons. The principle applies universally to all quantum systems, making it a cornerstone of modern physics.

3. Does the uncertainty principle apply to macroscopic objects?

While the uncertainty principle applies to all objects, its effects are negligible for macroscopic objects due to their large mass and size. The uncertainties in position and momentum become significant only at the quantum scale, where particles behave according to quantum mechanics. For everyday objects, the uncertainties are so small that they are practically imperceptible.

4. Can the uncertainty principle be violated?

The uncertainty principle cannot be violated as it is a fundamental property of quantum systems. However, some interpretations of quantum mechanics suggest that under certain conditions, such as quantum entanglement or measurement processes, the apparent limitations imposed by the uncertainty principle can be circumvented in specific contexts. Nonetheless, these interpretations do not negate the principle itself.

5. How does the uncertainty principle relate to quantum technology?

The uncertainty principle plays a crucial role in the development of quantum technologies, such as quantum computing and quantum cryptography. It underpins the behavior of quantum bits (qubits) and the security of quantum communication protocols. Understanding and leveraging the uncertainty principle allows scientists and engineers to create innovative technologies that harness the unique properties of quantum mechanics.

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