How Do Ammeters and Voltmeters Function in a Circuit Diagram?

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The discussion centers around the functioning of ammeters and voltmeters in circuit diagrams, specifically how they measure current and voltage in various configurations. Participants explore the theoretical and practical implications of these measurements, including the role of resistance in circuits.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that an ammeter measures total current while a voltmeter measures voltage, with the ammeter ideally having zero resistance and the voltmeter having infinite resistance.
  • One participant suggests thinking of an ammeter as a rate meter and a voltmeter as a pressure gauge, emphasizing their different operational principles.
  • There are conflicting claims regarding whether ammeters and voltmeters measure power, with some insisting they do and others correcting this assertion.
  • A participant questions the necessity of a resistor in series with an ammeter, pondering the implications of infinite current if no resistor is present.
  • Another participant clarifies that adding more paths to a circuit does not distribute current evenly unless all paths have equal resistance, referencing Ohm's Law.
  • There is confusion about the measurement of potential difference across resistors and how current travels through circuits with multiple paths.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the measurement capabilities of ammeters and voltmeters, particularly regarding their relationship to power. The discussion remains unresolved on several technical points, including the necessity of resistors in series with ammeters and the behavior of current in circuits with multiple paths.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on assumptions about ideal conditions versus real-world scenarios, such as the behavior of current in the presence of resistance and the implications of short circuits. There are also unresolved mathematical steps related to current distribution in parallel circuits.

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Hi I am taking a fundamentals of circuit analysis class and i was just reviewing by circuit diagrams and i found a diagram that looks like this:

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1344/44782290yf4.jpg


Well i know electrons are going from negative to the positive but it says

A1 measures the total current delivered by the battary
A2 measures the current passing through R4
V1 measures the battery voltage
V2 measures the voltage across R2 and R3


I was wondering HOW the ammeter and voltmeter measure this. Like can someone outline where the current passes through. How does the current go into the voltmeter and ammeter.
 
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Entire current goes through the ammeter, but none goes through the voltmeter (ideally).

You can think of an ammeter as a resistor with 0 resistance, and voltmeter with infinite resistance.
 
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It may help to think of an ammeter as a RATE meter. It is measuring the number of electrons passing a given point in a given amount of time. A voltmeter is more like a pressure gauge. Ideally it does not allow any electrons to pass in order to arrive at its reading. I get the vibe that you maybe do not quite fully understand the difference between the 2 meters. So, with my given analogy and what's info about zero and infinite resistance relating to the 2 types of meters, can you understand why A2 is measuring ONLY the current going through R4?
 
The ammeter measures power. The voltmeter measures the amount of power but the ohmmeter is the deciding factor. Always remember ohms law, I equals E over R. They are all dependent on each other but that is why it is called Ohms law. Read it, study it and memorize it. It may save your life someday.
 
capnahab said:
The ammeter measures power. The voltmeter measures the amount of power but the ohmmeter is the deciding factor. Always remember ohms law, I equals E over R. They are all dependent on each other but that is why it is called Ohms law. Read it, study it and memorize it. It may save your life someday.

That is not correct. Neither the voltmeter nor the ammeter measure power.
 
capnahab said:
The ammeter measures power. The voltmeter measures the amount of power but the ohmmeter is the deciding factor.

What?? :bugeye:

Surely you are kidding.
 
Thanks for replying,
RE: Averagesupernova
The A2 ammeter measures the current traveling through the R4 resistor because the current travels through that resistor before reaching the A2 ammeter.

I have a few more questions if anyone can help :)


I also was wondering why is it necessary for a resistor to be connected in series with the ammeter. Why can't the ammeter measure current without a resistor in place? Without a resistor will there be like infinite current?

by the way
if u add more "paths" to a circuit the current distributes evenly right?
Therefore the current decreases since less electrons are passing through an ammeter?
 
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salman213 said:
I also was wondering why is it necessary for a resistor to be connected in series with the ammeter. Why can't the ammeter measure current without a resistor in place?

It's not necessary per se but...

salman213 said:
Without a resistor will there be like infinite current?

Yes, there would be infinite current flow (theoretically) through it (a simple short circuit of the power supply - assuming nothing else were in the circuit).

[tex]I = \frac{V}{R}[/tex]

As [tex]R \rightarrow 0[/tex], [tex]I[/tex] would tend to [tex]\infty[/tex].

In real life the fuse would blow on the meter to protect it from damage, and the current wouldn't be infinite, just really high (relatively speaking) due to some very small resistance in the wires.

CS
 
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ops i edited my post a little..


Thanks for ur reply again


"by the way
if u add more "paths" to a circuit the current distributes evenly right?
Therefore the current decreases since less electrons are passing through an ammeter?
"

also


for potential difference when looking at V2 in my diagram can we say V2 is measuring the potential difference across R2 and R4? Because the current which will go through R4 will be the same that will go into R3? and the voltmeter is measuring the at the point in between the end of R4 and beginning of R3.


I guess maybe I am sort of confused on how the current travels through a circuitt that has more than one path
 
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salman213 said:
"by the way
if u add more "paths" to a circuit the current distributes evenly right?
Therefore the current decreases since less electrons are passing through an ammeter?
"

also


for potential difference when looking at V2 in my diagram can we say V2 is measuring the potential difference across R2 and R4? Because the current which will go through R4 will be the same that will go into R3? and the voltmeter is measuring the at the point in between the end of R4 and beginning of R3.


I guess maybe I am sort of confused on how the current travels through a circuitt that has more than one path

Current has a tendency to follow the path of least resistance. It does not flow evenly unless all the paths have equal resistance. The more resistance, the less current will flow. This should be intuitive based on Ohm's Law.

The answer to your second question can be answered with the previous explanation (i.e. it depends on the value of each resistor).

Hope that helps.

CS
 

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