How Do Atoms Transition from Electronic to Vibrational Excitation?

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The discussion centers on the transitions between electronic and vibrational excitations in atoms and molecules, exploring the mechanisms and conditions under which these transitions occur. It touches on concepts related to thermal equilibrium, energy distribution, and the nature of heat in the context of molecular behavior.

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  • Some participants suggest that atoms can transition from electronic to vibrational excitation, while others question whether such a transition occurs or if both excitations can happen independently.
  • One participant explains that when light is absorbed, it can excite electrons to higher energy levels, which may lead to increased molecular vibration or kinetic energy.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of thermal equilibrium, stating that energy tends to be equipartitioned among available degrees of freedom, including electronic, vibrational, and rotational excitations, provided these degrees of freedom are coupled.
  • A participant requests specific references to understand the context of the claim regarding transitions between electronic and vibrational states.
  • One participant clarifies that atoms do not vibrate, but rather molecules do, and discusses the statistical likelihood of energy being distributed among vibrational modes versus electronic states, particularly at low temperatures.

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Participants express differing views on whether atoms transition from electronic to vibrational excitation or if both can occur independently. There is no consensus on the mechanisms or implications of these transitions.

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Participants highlight the importance of coupling between degrees of freedom and the influence of temperature on the likelihood of occupying electronic versus vibrational states. The discussion also references the Boltzmann distribution in relation to energy states.

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I read that atoms transition from electronically excited to vibrationally excited. But how?
 
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Tiwari said:
I read that atoms transition from electronically excited to vibrationally excited. But how?

I'm not sure that they 'transition' from one to the other. As far as I know both can happen at any time. To answer your question, when light is absorbed by a material, the energy is transferred from the incoming light wave to the molecule, exciting electrons into higher energy levels (electronic transition), causing the molecules to vibrate, or giving the molecules more kinetic energy (in the cases of liquids and gases). If the light excites an electron into a higher energy state, the electron then usually falls back down to a lower energy state shortly thereafter and gives up energy in the process. This energy usually ends up being converted into heat or thermal radiation.
 
Usually any interacting system will proceed to thermal equilibrium, where energy is equipartitioned to all the degrees of freedom (electronic, vibrational and rotational excitations) that are available. The only requirement for this is that these degrees of freedom have to be "coupled", which in this case means that the strength of a chemical bond with an excited electron is different from that in the ground state, affecting its vibration. Similarly, the vibrational and rotational motion of a molecule are coupled because a rotating molecule has the centrifugal effect stretching it, and the stretching of a chemical bond affects the moment of inertia in turn.
 
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Tiwari said:
I read that atoms transition from electronically excited to vibrationally excited.

Can you give some specific references for where you have read this? Knowing the specific context (for example, what kind of process is involved) will help in giving good responses.
 
Atoms can't vibrate, but molecules can.

Heat isn't just vibrations. Heat is energy that is randomly spread among all the objects and all the ways that each object can be excited. But, the minimum vibrational energy is smaller than the minimum electronic energy, so statistically, it is more likely for the energy to randomly be in vibrational modes, since the energy likes to be as spread out as possible among all the objects.

On Earth, we are typically working with things which are at relatively low temperatures. At these low temperatures, in thermal equilibrium (after everything has settled out), it is very unlikely for any molecule to have enough energy to be in an excited electron state, but it is not unlikely to be in an excited vibrational state, because these states have low energy. (For more, see Boltzmann distribution).
 

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