How Do Boundary Conditions Affect Complex Eigenvalues in Differential Operators?

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The discussion revolves around finding complex eigenvalues of the first derivative operator d/dx under the boundary condition X(0) = X(1). The context involves partial differential equations (PDEs) and the method of separation of variables.

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  • Participants discuss the expression 1 = eλ and explore how to derive complex eigenvalues from it. There is mention of using Euler's formula to relate complex numbers to trigonometric functions. Questions arise about the manipulation of complex representations and the reasoning behind the form of the eigenfunction.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights about the relationship between eigenvalues in linear algebra and those in the context of differential operators. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of Euler's formula and the definition of eigenfunctions and eigenvalues.

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Participants express uncertainty about manipulating complex numbers and the implications of boundary conditions on eigenvalues. There is a sense of urgency due to an upcoming test, which may influence the depth of exploration in the discussion.

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Find the complex eignevalues of the first derivative operator d/dx subject to the single boundary condition X(0) = X(1).

So this has to do with PDEs and separation of variables:

I get to the point of using the BC and I am left with an expression:

1 = eλ, this is where my issue falls. How do I convert it into a complex eignvalue and then also get that eigenfunction? I know how to do this when dealing with the Fourier series in terms of sines and cosine, but complex has me baffled and I know our professor is going to ask us about the complex form on our test in 2 days, he's been talking about it all semester.
 
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trap101 said:
Find the complex eignevalues of the first derivative operator d/dx subject to the single boundary condition X(0) = X(1).

So this has to do with PDEs and separation of variables:

I get to the point of using the BC and I am left with an expression:

1 = eλ, this is where my issue falls. How do I convert it into a complex eignvalue and then also get that eigenfunction? I know how to do this when dealing with the Fourier series in terms of sines and cosine, but complex has me baffled and I know our professor is going to ask us about the complex form on our test in 2 days, he's been talking about it all semester.

Well, ##e^0=1## and ##e^{2 \pi i}=1##. Does that give you any ideas?
 
Dick said:
Well, ##e^0=1## and ##e^{2 \pi i}=1##. Does that give you any ideas?

erck...kinda sorta: I suppose I could set λ = 2[itex]\pi[/itex]i and the only way that equals 0 is when it is 2n[itex]\pi[/itex]i, but that is me reaching, the issue I think falls with me not even knowing how to manipulate the complex representation too well.

How is ##e^{2 \pi i}=1##? Should I take it in terms of euler's formula to see the relation?
 
trap101 said:
erck...kinda sorta: I suppose I could set λ = 2[itex]\pi[/itex]i and the only way that equals 0 is when it is 2n[itex]\pi[/itex]i, but that is me reaching, the issue I think falls with me not even knowing how to manipulate the complex representation too well.

How is ##e^{2 \pi i}=1##? Should I take it in terms of euler's formula to see the relation?

Yes, use Euler's formula. If ##\lambda=a+bi## with a and b real then ##e^{a+bi}=e^a e^{bi}=e^a (\cos(b)+i\sin(b))##. Set that equal to 1 and figure out what a and b can be.
 
Dick said:
Yes, use Euler's formula. If ##\lambda=a+bi## with a and b real then ##e^{a+bi}=e^a e^{bi}=e^a (\cos(b)+i\sin(b))##. Set that equal to 1 and figure out what a and b can be.

Ok thanks. I actually had another quaetion with regards to this problem. In finding the solution I followed a procedure they did in the book:

X'(x) = λX and then solved for the solution, but my question is how or why did they put the function in this form first?
 
trap101 said:
Ok thanks. I actually had another quaetion with regards to this problem. In finding the solution I followed a procedure they did in the book:

X'(x) = λX and then solved for the solution, but my question is how or why did they put the function in this form first?

If X(x) is an eigenfunction of an operator O with eigenvalue λ, then O(X(x))=λX(x). That's the definition of eigenfunction and eigenvalue. Now put O=d/dx.
 
Dick said:
If X(x) is an eigenfunction of an operator O with eigenvalue λ, then O(X(x))=λX(x). That's the definition of eigenfunction and eigenvalue. Now put O=d/dx.


Ohhhh, now if I consolidate this with what I previoiusly studied in linear algebra:

that would mean AX = λX, but in this case we're dealing with functions so that A matrix is now an operator. Awesome. Aha moments... thanks.
 
trap101 said:
Ohhhh, now if I consolidate this with what I previoiusly studied in linear algebra:

that would mean AX = λX, but in this case we're dealing with functions so that A matrix is now an operator. Awesome. Aha moments... thanks.

Yes, it's same concept as eigenvalues in linear algebra.
 

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