How Do Complex Numbers Affect Trigonometric and Quantum Mechanical Equations?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of complex numbers in relation to trigonometric functions and their implications in quantum mechanics. Specifically, participants are examining inequalities involving the absolute values of sine and cosine functions when extended to complex arguments, as well as the interpretation of angular momentum components in quantum mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to prove inequalities involving |sin z| and |cos z|, where z is a complex number. There are discussions about expanding these functions and the implications of their absolute values. Questions arise regarding the proper interpretation of angular momentum components in quantum mechanics and the use of complex conjugates versus Hermitian conjugates.

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Some participants are providing hints and guidance on how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the manipulation of complex expressions and the use of identities. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical properties involved, but no consensus has been reached on the proofs or interpretations.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of combining trigonometric functions with complex variables, as well as the nuances of quantum mechanics terminology and notation. There is an acknowledgment of potential confusion regarding mathematical symbols and their meanings.

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the first one says:

Prove that:
a) |sin z | \geq |sin x|
b) |cos z | \geq |cos x|Where I guess z = x+iy...

What I have done:
Well I am pretty stumped on this one, I have though about expanding sin z into (sin x) (cosh y) + (i cos x) (sinh y). I don't think that helps me prove anything, but it seems like more terms means it would be greater than just a sin x :rolleyes:

Second problemo:

We see the anuglar momentum components
(L_x - i L_y) != (L_x +iL_y)*Gosh I've tried a lot on this one, I really don't know too too much about QM, so its been tough. It just seems to go against the definition of a conjugate, so I dunno...
 
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First:

I don't think that helps me prove anything

Think a little harder! :)

HINT: What is the absolute value of the expression?

Second: What exactly does that exclamation point mean?
 
oh i didnt know how to put the does not equal to sign, so I put the !=.
 
Tide said:
HINT: What is the absolute value of the expression?

hmmmm well of course I know |z| = \sqrt{x^2 +y^2}

so would |sin z| = \sqrt{(sin x)^2 (cosh y)^2 + (i cos x)^2 (sinh y)^2}
 
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Not quite. You need to multiply sin z by its complex conjugate, i.e. the i under the radical doesn't belong there.
 
hmm ok so I get(sin^2 x) (cosh^2y) + (cos^2 x) (sinh^2 y)

but that gives me |sin z|^2, and then hmm, I need to take the sqaure root of that to get get back to |sin z|?
 
Wishbone said:
hmm ok so I get(sin^2 x) (cosh^2y) + (cos^2 x) (sinh^2 y)

but that gives me |sin z|^2, and then hmm, I need to take the sqaure root of that to get get back to |sin z|?

I think you'll find the identity \cos^2(x)=1-\sin^2(x) quite helpful in finishing this off.

As for the QM question I think what they're driving at here is that you don't take the complex conjugate of operators. Instead you take the Hermitian conjugate. That means that L_x-iL_y=(L_x+iL_y)^{\dagger}.

And by the way the not-equal-to symbol is given by \neq (click the image to see the code).
 

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