How do I calculate an electric generator's power?

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The discussion revolves around the design and calculation of power output for electric generators, specifically focusing on a proposed generator using large magnets and coils of wire. Participants explore theoretical aspects of electromagnetic induction, design considerations, and alternative generator concepts.

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  • One participant proposes a generator design using a 100kg U-shaped magnet and 100kg of coils turning at 6 RPM, questioning the expected power output.
  • Another participant suggests that the rotation speed is significantly low for generating a good output voltage and recommends reviewing Faraday's induction equation.
  • A participant inquires about the appropriate equation for calculating voltage, expressing uncertainty about Faraday's induction equation.
  • Faraday's Law of induction is presented with a formula that includes variables such as the number of turns, area of the coil, RPM, and magnetic field strength.
  • There is a question about estimating the number of turns (N) from the weight of the wire and the magnetic field strength (B) from the horseshoe magnet.
  • A participant introduces a new generator concept involving repelling magnets and gears, describing a mechanism that they claim could generate electricity, though they acknowledge it is not perpetual motion.
  • Another participant challenges the feasibility of the proposed generator and expresses skepticism about the understanding of the concepts involved.

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Participants express differing views on the feasibility and understanding of electric generator design. There is no consensus on the proposed designs or their potential effectiveness.

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Participants have not reached a clear understanding of the necessary calculations or design principles, and there are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions behind the proposed generator concepts.

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I'm thinking of making an electric generator. I want to use a 100kg U shaped magnet. Inside of this U magnet is 100kg coils of wire. The 100kg coils of wire turn 360 degrees every ten seconds. How much electrical power will this electric generator generate? Also what would happen if I placed the 100kg coils of wire inside of a 100kg circular shaped magnet?
 
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The size of your magnet and coil imply that this generator is a very signifignificant project, and so needs some serious design work. You should review Faraday's induction equation, because 360 degrees every 10 seconds (6 RPM) is probably a factor of 200 or more below what you need to develop a good output voltage. Are you planning to use a commutator (or slip rings) and brushes to get the DC (or AC) voltage & current off the armature? Maybe an alternator configuration is better?
 
I'm planning to use slip rings and brushes. So what equation should I use to get electric generator's voltage calculated? Faraday's induction equation? Please tell me. By the way I don't know Faraday's induction equation.
 
Faraday's Law of induction, written for an alternator with a DC (permanent magnet) two-pole stator, is

V = - N A (2 pi RPM/60) B

where N = number of turns on the armature (example N= 50)
A = area of coil on the armature (example A = 0.1 meter times 0.05 meter = 0.005 m2.
RPM = armature rotation speed (example 3600 RPM)
B = DC magnetic field (e.g., 0.5 tesla)
V= volts out (example V = 50 x .005 x 2 pi x 3600/60 x 0.5 = 47.1 volts @ 60 Hz)
 
Is there any way to theorize how much "N" I could get from 100 kg of wire turns and how much "B" (in Teslas) I could get from a 100 kg horseshoe magnet?
 
Here's a new type of generator I'm working on:

The outer magnets, (LO)NS and SN(RO), repel the inner magnets, (LI)SN and NS(RI), back to where they came from. Then inner magnets (LI)SN and NS(RI) repel each other again while each of those two magnets turn gears and the repelling process and gear turning process keep repeating. Actually the motors turn magnets (LO)NS and SN(RO) 180 degrees for 5 seconds every 16 hours to (restrengthen?) magnetic fields of the four top magnets. Each of the outer and inner magnets are on a rolling rectangular block and between each rolling rectangular block and adjacent magnet is a layer of adhesieve that connects rolling rectangular block to magnet. The six magnet engine uses six magnets to create electricity by having two outer magnets repel two inner magnets that repel each other back and forth. The two repelled back and forth magnets each turn a gear and each of those gears turns a gear and each of those latter gears turns a magnet to generate electricity. I wouldn't call this perpetual motion; the adhesieve would wear out over time.


Lmotor______________Rmotor
(LO)NS_(LI)SN_NS(RI)_SN(RO)
__roller__roller_roller__roller
_______Lgear_ Rgear
_______Lgear_ Rgear
_______LNS__ NSR
_______coil__ coil
 
The coils would of course be connected to transformer coils. Is it possible for such a generator to provide enough power to move a car?
 
C'mon - you asked questions in the beginning that imply you know you don't have anywhere near the understanding of these concepts necessary to even evaluate a generator and now you think you've developed a perpetual motion machine!??

Stop fooling around - you're wasting your time and ours.
 

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