How do I calculate Phase Angles?

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The discussion revolves around calculating phase angles in the context of AC circuits, specifically focusing on the relationship between reactance, resistance, and voltage. Participants explore various methods and approaches to derive the phase angle and voltage using trigonometric and algebraic techniques.

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  • One participant describes their struggle with calculating phase angles using the equation tanθ = (XL - XC) / XR, expressing confusion about the correct steps and whether to use RMS values.
  • Another participant clarifies that XL and XC are 180° out of phase and suggests that one can directly subtract the smaller reactance from the larger without needing RMS values for impedance.
  • A different participant advises starting with a visual representation of the problem, emphasizing the importance of understanding impedance and the conversion between rectangular and polar coordinates.
  • A later reply confirms the simplified approach to calculating the phase angle, stating that only the larger reactance minus the smaller reactance should be divided by resistance, followed by using the inverse tangent function on the calculator.
  • The same participant outlines a method for calculating voltage using the Pythagorean theorem, detailing the steps involved in squaring the reactance difference and resistance before summing and taking the square root.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of using RMS values and the steps involved in calculating phase angles. While some agree on the simplified method of calculation, there is no consensus on the best approach or the role of RMS in these calculations.

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Some participants mention potential confusion regarding the application of RMS values and the order of operations in calculations, indicating that assumptions about prior knowledge may affect understanding.

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So I got to the part of my math/engineering textbook on vectors and scalars, and I've got to calculate phase angles and voltage. I see this equation, and I've tried doing it different ways but I don't get correct answers.

tanθ=XL−XC / XR
Angle θ represents the phase angle between the current and the voltage.

I thought I was supposed to square each value first,
then subtract C from L,
then divide by R
then get the square root of the result,
then push the inverse button + Tangent on the calculator to change the result into an angle in degrees.

I didn't do well with vector spaces in school and have trouble with them now.

Also, am I supposed to do any RMS stuff like root 2 over 2, since its AC, and implied? Or am I overthinking it?
 
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XL and Xc are 180° out of phase. You can subtract one from the other directly, depending on which one is greater. You don't need rms values for impedance.
 
It helps to draw the picture first.
That makes it into an elementary trigonometry problem. Which you solve one step at a time...
1. Find what is impedance . You have to add in Rectangular coordinates (unless angle is same).
2. Divide voltage by that impedance. You have to divide in polar co-ordinates .

You'll get good at rectangular-polar conversion. Pythagoras Rules!

Doing these beginner exercises with a slide rule instills the "one step at a time" thinking method.
If you're using a calculator, force yourself to think in steps by writing down each step and its result , until the process becomes automatic..
 
thank you both! I was definitely overthinking it. The numbers aren't squared when doing the fraction portion to calculate phase angle.
it's just the bigger number minus the smaller number in C & L, and then divide by R. Once i have that value,
1. type in the (probably decimal) value into the calculator
2. push INVerse on the calculator
3. push TANgent. Boom, Phase angle.

Then for calculating the voltage, its Pythagoras: a^2 + b^2 = c^2,
1. with a = the result from C - L, then squared
2. b = Resistance, then squared
3. add these two together, which is the c^2 value
4. square root that value and I get my voltage.

I checked this process and i got the same results as the answers in the back of the book. :biggrin:
 

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