How do I calculate the output current of an alternator

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of output current from an alternator, particularly in the context of Ohm's law and the implications of rotor excitation on output voltage. Participants explore the relationship between voltage, load resistance, and current in both general and automotive applications, addressing concepts related to AC circuits and impedance.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether alternators obey Ohm's law, noting that output voltage is proportional to rotor excitation current and expressing confusion about calculating output current when voltage drops.
  • Another participant agrees that Ohm's law can be applied to the load resistor in the context of the examples provided.
  • A different participant introduces the concept of "Synchronous Impedance," emphasizing the importance of understanding AC circuits and the distinction between resistance and inductive reactance.
  • This participant suggests a method for determining synchronous impedance and notes that in automotive applications, voltage regulators adjust excitation to maintain constant output voltage, which may lead to the perception that alternators do not follow Ohm's law.
  • One participant inquires about the identity of those claiming that alternators do not follow Ohm's law, referencing a past comment from a professor regarding transformers as exceptions to Ohm's law.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of Ohm's law to alternators, with some asserting it can be used under certain conditions while others highlight the complexities introduced by AC circuit behavior and impedance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general applicability of Ohm's law to alternators.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of consensus on the role of impedance and phase angles in the context of alternator output calculations, as well as the implications of rotor excitation on current output. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding of AC circuit principles among participants.

torbor
Do alternators obey Ohm’s law? The alternator output voltage is proportional to the rotor excitation current. When reducing rotor excitation, the output voltage drops and the load resistance stays constant. Can why still use ohm law to determine the output current.

Example alternator 480 v / 4 ohm current output is 120 a if why now reduce rotor excitation output voltage drops tu 220 v / 4 ohm output current is 55 a can why calculete like this.

Another example is car alternator have 900 w of pawer tu give that pawer with 13.7 v output current is 65 a and load resistance is 0.21077 this all calculation are based on ohm low.

Can why calculate like this of course every equipment must support rated current

also i understand principle of impedance can why calculate a show i above examples

if why can apply ohm's law tu alternator haw why can determinant output current

i am really confused about this because i am always thought that resistance determine the current same people say they alternator does not follow ohm law ok but haw then calculate current output and load itself
 
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You are correct. You are applying ohm's law to the load resistor.
 
Have you studied anything about AC circuits ? Do you know the difference between resistance and inductive reactance ?

There's a concept called "Synchronous Impedance" that you should look up.

Impedance of an alternator is mostly inductive not resistive .

So your Ohm's Law must take into account the phase angles.

To determine synchronous impedance
1..Lock excitation at some value, probably rated for normal operating condition
then
2. With no load connected measure circuit voltage. That's Vinternal
3. Short circuit the output and measure how much current flows.

Divide result of EDIT result of 2 by result of 3, volts by amps..
You'll get the "Synchronous Impedance" for that alternator.
That many ohms of inductive reactance in series with Vinternal is the equivalent circuit of your alternator.
You can use that to predict alternator behavior if you know what is its excitation.

Remain aware that in automotive applications the voltage regulator adjusts excitation to keep output voltage constant.
So the alternator will appear to not follow Ohm's law .
That is probably what "same people" are telling you, is my guess.

What do you think ?

old jim
 
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torbor said:
same people say they alternator does not follow ohm law ok but
Who are these people by the way? Your professor(s)? I remember one of my junior college professors saying 'transformer is an exception to Ohm's law.'
 

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