How do I evaluate the contour integral for $f'(z)/f(z)$ around $|z|=4$?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the contour integral of the function \( \frac{f'(z)}{f(z)} \) for the specific function \( f(z) = \frac{(z^2+1)^2}{(z^2+2z+2)^3} \) around the contour defined by \( |z|=4 \). Participants explore methods to compute this integral without directly finding \( f'(z) \), referencing the principle of the argument in complex analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to evaluate the integral without calculating \( f'(z) \).
  • Another participant mentions the principle of the argument as a relevant theorem in complex analysis.
  • There is a discussion about the number of roots and poles of the function, with one participant stating that \( f \) has 2 poles at \( -1+i \) and \( -1-i \).
  • Another participant corrects the previous claim, emphasizing that zeros and poles must be counted according to their multiplicities, suggesting there are 4 roots and 2 poles of order 3.
  • A participant provides a formula relating the integral to the difference between the number of zeros and poles, indicating that if all roots of the numerator and denominator fall within the contour, the degrees of these polynomials can be used to evaluate the integral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the counting of roots and poles, with some asserting specific values while others challenge or refine those claims. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact evaluation of the integral based on these counts.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the principle of the argument and the relationship between zeros and poles, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the multiplicities of these features and their implications for the integral.

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Let $f(z)=\frac{(z^2+1)^2}{(z^2+2z+2)^3}$ . Evaluate the contour integral of $f'(z)/f(z)$ around the circle $|z|=4$?

How do I do this without having to find $f'(z)$?

Thanks
 
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Fermat said:
Let $f(z)=\frac{(z^2+1)^2}{(z^2+2z+2)^3}$ . Evaluate the contour integral of $f'(z)/f(z)$ around the circle $|z|=4$?

How do I do this without having to find $f'(z)$?

Thanks

An immediate answer is given by what I consider one of the most beautiful theorems of complex analysis: the principle of the argument ...

Argument Principle -- from Wolfram MathWorld

Fermat thank you for giving me a good procedure to be followed in a mathematical note that I'm carrying on about the logarithm function in the complex domain ...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
An immediate answer is given by what I consider one of the most beautiful theorems of complex analysis: the principle of the argument ...

Argument Principle -- from Wolfram MathWorld

Fermat thank you for giving me a good procedure to be followed in a mathematical note that I'm carrying on about the logarithm function in the complex domain ...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

Ok, the number of roots is 2. How about the poles? Thanks
 
chisigma said:
An immediate answer is given by what I consider one of the most beautiful theorems of complex analysis: the principle of the argument ...

Argument Principle -- from Wolfram MathWorld

Fermat thank you for giving me a good procedure to be followed in a mathematical note that I'm carrying on about the logarithm function in the complex domain ...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

$f$ has 2 poles (at -1+i and -1-i) so the integral is 2-2=0. Correct? Can you tell me how poles a polynomial has.
 
Fermat said:
$f$ has 2 poles (at -1+i and -1-i) so the integral is 2-2=0. Correct? Can you tell me how poles a polynomial has.
Read chisigma's link to Wolfram MathWorld more carefully! The zeros and poles must be counted according to their multiplicities.
 
Opalg said:
Read chisigma's link to Wolfram MathWorld more carefully! The zeros and poles must be counted according to their multiplicities.

so there are 4 roots and 2 poles of order 3?
 
You have to apply the relation...

$\displaystyle \int_{\gamma} \frac{f^{\ '}(z)}{f(z)}\ dz = 2\ \pi\ i\ (n-m)\ (1)$

... where...

$\displaystyle f(z)= \frac{p(z)}{q(z)} = \frac{(z^{2}+1)^{2}}{(z^{2} + 2\ z + 2)^{3}}\ (2)$

... and $\gamma$ is the circle for which $|z|=4$. If all the roots of p(*) and q(*) fall inside $\gamma$ [that is the case...], then n is the degree of p(*) and m is the degree of q(*), so that (Speechless) ...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 

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