How do I measure drag force on an airplane wing?

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The discussion centers around methods for measuring the drag force on an airplane wing, particularly in relation to determining the lift to drag ratio. Participants explore various experimental setups and techniques, including the use of scales, pulleys, and wind sources.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using an electronic scale to measure lift and inquires about measuring drag force.
  • Another proposes placing the scale on wheels to allow wind to push the wing backward, using a Newtonmeter to control motion.
  • A different approach involves attaching a weight to the scale with a string and pulley system to measure drag based on the reduction in measured weight.
  • Concerns are raised about airflow disruption when placing measuring devices in front of the wing, suggesting that an L-shaped lever might mitigate this issue while maintaining control over the wing's angle of attack.
  • One participant recommends pointing the wing up and using a fan directed downward, emphasizing the importance of taring the scale before measurements.
  • Another participant notes that without uniform airflow conditions, the results for lift and drag may not be meaningful.
  • A suggestion is made that lift and drag are typically measured with two sensors, one for vertical and one for horizontal forces, while maintaining a constant angle of attack.
  • One participant expresses enthusiasm for simple experimental setups using basic materials like thread and pulleys.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods for measuring drag force, but there is no consensus on a single effective approach. Concerns about airflow uniformity and the impact of measuring devices on results are also noted, indicating ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for consistent flow conditions and the potential effects of torque on measurements, highlighting limitations in the proposed methods.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and hobbyists interested in experimental aerodynamics, particularly those looking to measure aerodynamic forces in a practical setting.

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I am trying to measure the lift to drag ratio of a wing.
I am measuring the lift by using a electronic scale.
But how on Earth can I measure the drag force?
 
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Basically the same principle but do it sideways.

Presumably you have the wing on a stand sitting on a scale?
Put the scale on wheels, so the wind will blow it and the wing backwards.
Use a Newtonmeter to stop the motion.

You can probably come up with something better - this is just to give you the idea.
 
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barca12345 said:
I am trying to measure the lift to drag ratio of a wing.
I am measuring the lift by using a electronic scale.
But how on Earth can I measure the drag force?
Put a weight on the scale, and attach it with a string to your model (free to move horizontally), parallel to the airflow (via a pulley). The reduction of the measured weight is the drag force on the model.

Or build a L-shaped lever, with the pivot at the corner. Attach model to top end, and put scale under bottom end. Take the lever arm ratio into account.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Put the scale on wheels, so the wind will blow it and the wing backwards.
Use a Newtonmeter to stop the motion.

A.T. said:
Put a weight on the scale, and attach it with a string to your model (free to move horizontally), parallel to the airflow (via a pulley). The reduction of the measured weight is the drag force on the model.

The practical problem with both those ideas is that putting the measuring device in front of the wing will probably mess up the air flow before it reaches the wing. The L shaped lever idea could fix that problem, so long as you can still control the angle of attack of the wing in the experiment.
 
Point the wing up and point the fan down.
Then just use the same scale - after taring it with the fan off.
 
.Scott said:
Point the wing up and point the fan down.
Then just use the same scale - after taring it with the fan off.

Unless you measure the lift and drag forces with the same flow conditions, the results won't mean much.

I assumed the OP was working in a wind tunnel, even if it is a simple home-built one. Just putting a fan in front of the wing won't tell you anything very useful about either lift or drag, since the airflow won't be uniform over the wing.
 
AlephZero said:
Just putting a fan in front of the wing won't tell you anything very useful about either lift or drag, since the airflow won't be uniform over the wing.
barca12345 said:
Hello guys!
New here. Grade 11 student.
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He could be doing anything.
 
Normally lift and drag are measured using two sensors, one for vertical force, one for horizontal force. There also needs to be some method to hold a constant angle of attack, while allowing the vertical and horizontal sensors to operate without being affected by the torque produced by the wing.
 
Amazing what you can do with some thread, a pulley and some small weights.
 

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