How do I solve this integral for the arc length of a cardioid?

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The problem involves calculating the arc length of a cardioid defined by the polar equation \(\rho = a(1 + \cos\theta)\). Participants are discussing the appropriate formula for arc length in polar coordinates and the subsequent integral setup.

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  • Participants explore the integral setup for the arc length, with some expressing uncertainty about the evaluation of the integral. There are attempts to simplify the expression under the square root and discussions about potential mistakes in the integrand.

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Multiple interpretations of the integral are being explored, with some participants suggesting simplifications and others questioning the correctness of the expressions used. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of trigonometric identities and the half-angle formula.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the setup of the integral and the presence of potential errors in the expressions derived. Participants are also referencing computational tools like Mathematica for insights into the nature of the integral.

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Homework Statement


Hi there. Well, the problem statement says: Calculate the arc length of the cardioid \rho=a(1+\cos\theta).

Homework Equations


So I used the formula for the arc length in the polar form:

\int_a^b \! \sqrt{(\rho)^2+(\displaystyle\frac{d\rho}{d\theta})^2} \, d\theta

The Attempt at a Solution


Then I get
\int_0^{2\pi} \! \sqrt{(a+a\cos\theta)^2+(-a\sin\theta)^2} \, d\theta

=\int_0^{2\pi} \! \sqrt{a^2+2a^2\cos\theta+a^2\cos^2\theta+a^2\sin^2\theta} \, d\theta

=\int_0^{2\pi} \! \sqrt{a^2(2\cos\theta+\cos^2\theta+\sin^2\theta)} \, d\theta

=\int_0^{2\pi} \! |a|\sqrt{2\cos\theta+\cos^2\theta+\sin^2\theta} \, d\theta=|a|\int_0^{2\pi} \!\sqrt{2\cos\theta+1} \, d\theta

I can't solve this integral, I don't know how to. Any help?
 
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Telemachus said:

Homework Statement


Hi there. Well, the problem statement says: Calculate the arc length of the cardioid \rho=a(1+\cos\theta).


Homework Equations


So I used the formula for the arc length in the polar form:

\int_a^b \! \sqrt{(\rho)^2+(\displaystyle\frac{d\rho}{d\theta})^2} \, d\theta


The Attempt at a Solution


Then I get
\int_0^{2\pi} \! \sqrt{(a+a\cos\theta)^2+(-a\sin\theta)^2} \, d\theta

=\int_0^{2\pi} \! \sqrt{a^2+2a^2\cos\theta+a^2\sin^2\theta} \, d\theta
In the equation above, you're missing a term.
Telemachus said:
=\int_0^{2\pi} \! \sqrt{a^2(2\cos\theta+\cos^2\theta+\sin^2\theta)} \, d\theta

=\int_0^{2\pi} \! |a|\sqrt{2\cos\theta+\cos^2\theta+\sin^2\theta} \, d\theta=|a|\int_{0^2\pi} \!\sqrt{2\cos\theta+1} \, d\theta

I can't solve this integral, I don't know how to. Any help?
 
Sorry:
\int_0^{2\pi} \! \sqrt{a^2+2a^2\cos\theta+a^2\cos^2\theta+a^2\sin^2\theta} \, d\theta

Thats it.
 
That's it. With some simplification, the quantity in the radical is 2a2 + 2a2cos(theta). I'm not sure there's a nice, neat closed form antiderivative for this problem. Are you sure you have to actually evaluate the integral, or do you just need to set it up?
 
You can write 1+cos(theta) as a perfect square using a double (or half) angle formula.
 
Mm it asked for the arc length, didn't say just set it up. Mathematica gives 4 Sqrt[3] Abs[a] EllipticE[4/3] as the solution, and I don't know what the hell "EllipticE" means, less how to arrive to that result :P

The other I had of the same kind I think I've solved it right, but it was easier, it asks for the second revolution of the spiral \rho=e^{2\theta}

So I did \rho'=2e^{2theta}

\int_{2\pi}^{4\pi} \! \sqrt{(e^{2\theta})^2+(2e^{2\theta})^2} \, d\theta

\int_{2\pi}^{4\pi} \! \sqrt{e^{4\theta}+(4e^{4\theta}} \, d\theta

\int_{2\pi}^{4\pi} \! \sqrt{5e^{4\theta}} \, d\theta

\int_{2\pi}^{4\pi} \! \sqrt{5e^{4\theta}} \, d\theta

\sqrt{5}\int_{2\pi}^{4\pi} \! e^{2\theta} \, d\theta

\sqrt{5}(\dysplaystyle\frac{e^{8\pi}-e^{4\pi}}{2})

Is that right?
 
Mathematica is saying that the first integral is an elliptic integral (see here).

Your work for the second integral looks fine.
 
Dick said:
You can write 1+cos(theta) as a perfect square using a double (or half) angle formula.

I think I can use the half angle formula (I watched at wikipedia after your post).
This:
\cos \frac{\theta}{2} = \pm\, \sqrt{\frac{1 + \cos\theta}{2}}

Am I right? thanks Dick

Mark44 said:
Mathematica is saying that the first integral is an elliptic integral (see here).

Your work for the second integral looks fine.

Thanks Mark
 
Telemachus said:
I think I can use the half angle formula (I watched at wikipedia after your post).
This:
\cos \frac{\theta}{2} = \pm\, \sqrt{\frac{1 + \cos\theta}{2}}

Am I right? thanks Dick

That's the one.
 
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Thanks both of you. See you later!
 
  • #11
mm It seems it won't help, I've tried factorizing the 2, but...

|a|\int_0^{2\pi} \!\sqrt{2\cos\theta+1} \, d\theta=\sqrt{2}|a|\int_0^{2\pi} \!\sqrt{\cos\theta+\dyslpaystyle\frac{1}{2}}

I thought I was on the right way, but I've missed that the denominator 2 its only for the 1 inside the square root.

And the double angle formula I think it's not going to work neither

\begin{align}<br /> \cos 2\theta &amp;= \cos^2 \theta - \sin^2 \theta \\ &amp;= \color{red} 2 \cos^2 \theta - 1 \color{black} \\ <br /> &amp;= 1 - 2 \sin^2 \theta \\ &amp;= \frac{1 - \tan^2 \theta} {1 + \tan^2 \theta}<br /> \end{align}

It seems to me that Mark were right :P
 
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  • #12
You're using the integrand with the mistake in it. (You can tell it's wrong because the radicand is negative for some values of theta.) Use the correct one you found later, and you'll be able to integrate it using Dick's hint.
 
  • #13
I don't think so, I can't see the mistake. I've already corrected the one that Mark marked :P
 
  • #14
The integral should look like this:
=\sqrt{2}|a|\int_0^{2\pi} \sqrt{1 + cos\theta} d\theta

Use Dick's hint.
 
  • #15
Telemachus said:
=\int_0^{2\pi} \! |a|\sqrt{2\cos\theta+\cos^2\theta+\sin^2\theta} \, d\theta=|a|\int_0^{2\pi} \!\sqrt{2\cos\theta+1} \, d\theta
That was your original integral.
Telemachus said:
Sorry:
\int_0^{2\pi} \! \sqrt{a^2+2a^2\cos\theta+a^2\cos^2\theta+a^2\sin^2\theta} \, d\theta
And that was your corrected one.
Telemachus said:
|a|\int_0^{2\pi} \!\sqrt{2\cos\theta+1} \, d\theta=\sqrt{2}|a|\int_0^{2\pi} \!\sqrt{\cos\theta+\dyslpaystyle\frac{1}{2}}
Now you are using the original one again, which has the mistake.
 
  • #16
vela,
This is the original integral:
\int_0^{2\pi} \! \sqrt{(a+a\cos\theta)^2+(-a\sin\theta)^2} \, d\theta

The radicand simplifies to
\sqrt{2a^2(1 + cos(\theta))}
 
  • #17
Right, I had a mistake there. Thanks both. So the integral keeps this way:

\sqrt{2}|a|\int_0^{2\pi} \! \sqrt{1+\cos\theta} \, d\theta Dividing and multiplying by two I can get something to apply the half angle formula as Dick said before.
 

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