How do magnetic flux lines behave around external defects in steel structures?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of magnetic flux lines around external defects in steel structures, particularly in the context of magnetic flux leakage (MFL) detection techniques. Participants explore the representation of magnetic fields in diagrams and seek clarification on how defects affect the magnetic flux lines.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Aaron presents a problem involving diagrams of magnetic flux lines around a steel pipeline with and without external defects, questioning the accuracy of the representation in detecting defects.
  • Some participants inquire about the origin of the diagrams, with Aaron clarifying they are sourced from a textbook on MFL tools.
  • Aaron expresses dissatisfaction with the textbook's explanation of how the magnetic field behaves in the presence of defects and requests a clearer depiction of the flux lines.
  • One participant suggests that the magnetic field lines would appear similar to those in the intact diagram but implies they would protrude from the missing part of the material.
  • Nissam Sidheeq shares their experience with plotting flux lines and notes a decrease in magnetic flux density from the magnet section towards the center of the plate, inviting further discussion on this observation.
  • Aaron reiterates the request for a visual representation of the magnetic flux lines in the context of the defect.
  • Another participant describes the expected appearance of the flux lines, comparing them to streamlines of flowing water and suggesting they would be compressed between the defect and the bottom of the iron bar, affecting the magnetic circuit's reluctance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of satisfaction with the existing explanations and representations of magnetic flux lines around defects. There is no consensus on the exact behavior of the flux lines, with multiple viewpoints and interpretations presented.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the behavior of magnetic flux lines and the effects of defects remain unverified, and the discussion includes unresolved questions regarding the accuracy of the diagrams and the implications for magnetic flux density.

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Hi All,

Can anyone help with the following problem (see attached image
MFL_diagram.JPG
)? The left diagram shows a magnet clamped to a piece of steel (in the example the steel is the wall of a pipeline). The lines of flux are shown to pass through the pipe wall. I am happy with this diagram and what it shows.

The diagram on the right shows the same piece of metal with the same magnet clamped to it, only this time there is some metal missing on the outside of the metal (called an external defect in the diagram). This causes (according to the diagram) the magnetic flux lines to follow the contour of the defect, which allows the defect to be detected by the sensor. Is this a true representation of how the lines of flux would appear and how detection by the sensor would occur?

This technique forms the basis of detecting metal loss in steel structures. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_flux_leakage"
if you're interested.

Appreciate the help,

Bewst Regards,

Aaron
 
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did you draw these pictures?
 
No. The pictures are taken from a textbook on MFL tools. I'm not satisfied with the explanation of how the magnetic field is displayed when there is a defect present.

Ulimately I'd like someone to show me what the magnet lines of flux would look like in the following diagram -
MagneticField.JPG


Thanks,

Aaron
 
Aaron1978 said:
No. The pictures are taken from a textbook on MFL tools. I'm not satisfied with the explanation of how the magnetic field is displayed when there is a defect present.

Ulimately I'd like someone to show me what the magnet lines of flux would look like in the following diagram - View attachment 10384

Thanks,

Aaron

obviously by analogy they look exactly the other one with a chunk missing. Though I'm inclined to think that the field lines would protrude from the missing part.
 
Magnetic Flux "Leakage"

Hello again,

I'd just like to try and revive this thread. Does anyone have anymore ideas?

Regards,

Aaron
 
magnetic flux density

hii dear...
i also tried to plot the flux lines to find the magnetic flux density in the pipe.i used the fem to perform the analysis.but magnetic flux density seems to be decreasing from the magnet section towards the centre of the plate.i would like to discuss with you this issue.mail me at nissam.sidheeq@gmail.com

Regards
Nissam Sidheeq
 
Aaron1978 said:
Ultimately I'd like someone to show me what the magnet lines of flux would look like in the following diagram - View attachment 10384

Thanks,

Aaron
They would look like the streamlines of flowing water, and be compressed between the defect and the bottom of the iron bar. The increased B at this area would increase the reluctance of the magnetic circuit.
 

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