How do shockwaves in a 1D linear lattice work?

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The discussion revolves around the formation of shockwaves in a one-dimensional linear lattice connected by springs. Participants explore the implications of moving particles at speeds greater than the speed of sound in the lattice, questioning how shocks can arise in a linear system and the relationship between linear interactions and non-linear compressibility.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a one-dimensional lattice with a linear spring constant and questions how shockwaves can form if the system is linear, noting the speed of sound and the potential role of Hugoniot relations.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the existence of shocks in a linear system, indicating they have not encountered such a phenomenon before.
  • Another participant suggests that if motion exceeds the speed of sound, it raises questions about the model's relevance and the assumptions of linearity.
  • There is a proposal that if the input cannot be handled by the model, it suggests that the underlying assumptions may be incorrect, particularly regarding linear relationships.
  • A participant introduces a model of a one-dimensional gas with elastic collisions and discusses how a high-speed piston could impart extra velocity to molecules, highlighting the limitations of the one-dimensional case in representing real dynamics.
  • Another participant notes that even in a simplified model, shocks can arise, emphasizing that the equations governing such systems are typically nonlinear.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express uncertainty about the formation of shocks in a linear system, with multiple competing views on the relevance and applicability of such models. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which shocks can form and the implications of exceeding the speed of sound.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the one-dimensional model, including the lack of mechanisms for energy dispersion and the potential inapplicability of linear assumptions when dealing with high-speed excitations.

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I am struggling to understand shocks in a one dimensional lattice with a linear spring connecting the masses. Say I have a one dimensional lattice with a linear spring constant, k and lattice spacing a. If the particles in the lattice has mass, m then my speed of sound c is a*sqrt(k/m). That is a small disturbance will propagate with speed c. Now if I move one of the end particles in my lattice at a speed greater than c, I should incite a shockwave? Will the dynamics then be governed by the Hugoniot relations?

I guess my confusion is as to how a shock forms if the system is linear... If it is a linear sound wave, the pressure distribution or the structure of the wave propagates unperturbed. If the interaction between granules is non-linear, I see how the structure of the wave eventually becomes a shock wave as the wavefront gets squished as larger loadings will propagate faster.

Back to the linear system, how does the linear interaction bring about a nonlinear compressibility to generate a shock front if k doesn't change...? I think the density behind the front will increase linearly but I don't know how to relate all the state variables let alone know how to derive an EOS for a linear lattice.

Much help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I've never heard of a shock in a linear system.
 
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boneh3ad said:
Maybe I'm missing something, but I've never heard of a shock in a linear system.
Understandable hence my confusion! What happens when the excitation is greater than the speed of sound then?
 
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curious_being said:
Understandable hence my confusion! What happens when the excitation is greater than the speed of sound then?
Perhaps it's to do with the questionable relevance of such a model.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
Perhaps it's to do with the questionable relevance of such a model.
Thanks so would the conclusion be:

in a 1d lattice, nothing propagates faster than the maximum phase speed of the dispersion relation. Motion faster than this speed cannot be modeled by such as system without nonlinearity
 
curious_being said:
Thanks so would the conclusion be:

in a 1d lattice, nothing propagates faster than the maximum phase speed of the dispersion relation. Motion faster than this speed cannot be modeled by such as system without nonlinearity
That's usually the case. If you have an input that cannot be handled by a model system, then the assumptions underlying that model are generally wrong. In this case, one explanation is that you can't assume a linear relationship.
 
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boneh3ad said:
If you have an input that cannot be handled by a model system
I was thinking of a simple model of a 1D gas with equal mass molecules and elastic collisions, all with random initial ('thermal') velocities. A 'piston' moves at high speed from the left and imparts extra velocity to each molecule it hits and the other molecules eventually carry this extra velocity. There is no mechanism for the built up energy to disperse, as in 3D. I think it would not depend on the actual 'temperature' because you could start off with the balls all stationary.
Just making the point about how non-representative the 1D case would be.
 
sophiecentaur said:
I was thinking of a simple model of a 1D gas with equal mass molecules and elastic collisions, all with random initial ('thermal') velocities. A 'piston' moves at high speed from the left and imparts extra velocity to each molecule it hits and the other molecules eventually carry this extra velocity. There is no mechanism for the built up energy to disperse, as in 3D. I think it would not depend on the actual 'temperature' because you could start off with the balls all stationary.
Just making the point about how non-representative the 1D case would be.
Such a piston needn't even be high speed to create a shock in a gas. This is a canonical gas dynamic example. Of course, even the simplified equations are nonlinear.
 
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