How Do You Calculate Friction and Forces in a Skidding Car Scenario?

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The discussion revolves around calculating friction and forces in a scenario involving a skidding car. The original poster presents a problem involving a car's mass, initial speed, stopping distance, and seeks to determine acceleration, net force, and the coefficient of friction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply kinematic equations to find acceleration and net force, while also questioning how to determine the force of friction. Other participants discuss the relationship between net force and frictional force, and some explore the implications of the forces acting on the car.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into the forces at play. There is a suggestion that the net force is equivalent to the frictional force, and the original poster is exploring the calculation of the coefficient of friction. No consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the original poster's uncertainty due to a lack of recent physics knowledge, and some participants are clarifying the definitions and relationships between the forces involved.

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Homework Statement


The driver of a car whose mass is 1200kg is traveling 45km/h[W] on a slippery road when he applies the breaks. The car skids to a stop in 35m. Determine:
a) the car's acceleration
b) the net force acting on the car
c) the coefficient of friction between the tires and the road.

Homework Equations


v2^2 = v1^2 + 2ad
a = Fnet/m
Fg= m(g)
Ff= u(Fn)

The Attempt at a Solution



It's been a year since I've had physics class, so we're on review and I'm a little rough. This is what I have so far, can anyone tell me if I'm right or wrong?

Given:
m= 1200kg
v1= 45km/h = 12.5m/s
v2= 0km/h = 0m/s
d = 35ma) v2 ^2 = v1^2 + 2ad
0 = 12.5^2 + 2a(35)
-156.25 = 70a
a = - 2.23m/s^2

b) a = Fnet/m
Fnet = m x a
= 1200kg x -2.23m/s^2
= -2 676N

c) Fg = m x g
= 1200kg x 9.8m/s^2
= 11 760N
Fg= Fn

This is where I'm stuck.. I know the equation is Ff = u x Fn .. but how do I figure out Ff (Force of friction)? Use Fnet = Ff + Fapplied.. ?

Thanks! :)
 
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When breaks are applied, the only forces on the car are gravitational forces and frictive forces, and of these only the frictive force acts in the horizontal direction in which the car is travelling. Hence the sum of forces in the x direction is F_{f}=\mu F_{n}, where mu is the co-efficient of friction, and you know the sum of forces in the x direction because that's the only force causing any net acceleration.
 
Okay, so then that means that the Fnet is really the same value as the force of friction since the velocity at the time is 0.

So Ff = u x Fn
-2676N = u(-2676)
u = 1

?
 
Fn =\= Ff

Fn=mg, equal magnitude, opposite direction to the weight.
 

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