How Do You Calculate the pH of a Mixed NH4OH and NH4Cl Solution?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the pH of a mixed solution containing 0.65 M NH4OH and 0.35 M NH4Cl. Participants explore different methods for determining pH, including the use of equilibrium concentrations and the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests calculating pOH using the formula -log(OH-) and then deriving pH from it, indicating a need for the equilibrium concentration of OH-.
  • Another participant proposes using the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation, indicating that the solution acts as a buffer.
  • A different participant questions the use of the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation and presents an alternative calculation method, noting the complete dissociation of NH4Cl and providing a Kb value for NH4OH.
  • Another participant critiques the previous calculation, arguing that it overlooks the acidic dissociation of NH4+, suggesting that this could lead to an inaccurate result despite appearing correct.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumptions made regarding the values of x in the equilibrium expressions and their potential impact on the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate method for calculating pH, with no consensus reached on the best approach. Some support the use of the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation, while others challenge its applicability and propose alternative methods.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the contributions of NH4+ to the pH and the validity of approximations made in the calculations. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the impact of these factors on the final pH value.

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This isn't really homework, Its just a problem I'm trying to learn to solve. I'm not taking a chemistry course so I'm learning on my own.


Calculate the pH of a solution that is 0.65 M NH4OH and 0.35 M NH4Cl.

Well we can calulate the pOH = -log(OH-) and 14-pOH = pH


I guess I need the equilibrium concentration of OH-.

here is the chemical formula. I believe is necessary

NH4OH -> NH4SUB]+/SUP] + OH-/SUP]
the Kb/SUB] =1.5 x 10-3SUP]
 
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Without using the Henderson–Hasselbalch equation, Can I do this?
also different Kb value.

The NN4CL will completely dissociate adding 0.35 NH4

NH4OH -> NH4+ + OH-
0.65-x. 0.35+x. . x

H2O + NH3 -> NH4+ + OH-

Kb =1.8 x 10^-5 = [NH4+][OH-]/[NH3]= (0.35+x)(x)/ 0.65-x

x = [OH-]=0.000033 M

pOH = 4.5
pH = 14 - pOH = 14 - 4.5 =9.5
 
This is correct by accident.

You look at the dissociation of NH4OH, but you ignore acidic dissociation of NH4+.

NH4+ <-> NH3 + H+

Why?

My bet is that if you will try to do calculations using your approach and based on this reaction, you will get almost the same result, again accidentally.

For very small x (compared with 0.35 & 0.65), is (0.35+x)/(0.65-x) substantially different from 0.35/0.65?

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