How Do You Derive the Axes of a Kepler Orbit from Its Equation?

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The discussion focuses on deriving the axes of a Kepler orbit from its Cartesian equation. The original equation is analyzed, and the participant attempts to convert it into the standard form of an ellipse centered at the origin. However, a correction is noted that the ellipse's center is not at the origin, which affects the derivation of the semi-major and semi-minor axes. The participant is also uncertain about incorporating energy equations, specifically kinetic and potential energy, to finalize the expressions for the axes. The key takeaway is the clarification that the semi-major axis should be expressed without a square root, while the semi-minor axis retains the square root.
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I am trying to see if I am on the right track with this.

The problem: A kepler orbit (an ellipse) in Cartesian coordinates is: $$(1−\epsilon^2)x^2 + 2\alpha \epsilon x + y^2 = \alpha^2$$.
The task is to show that the major and minor axes are: $$a = \frac{\alpha}{\sqrt{1-\epsilon^2}} = \frac{k}{2|E|} \text{ and } b = \frac{\alpha}{\sqrt{1-\epsilon^2}} = \frac{L}{\sqrt{2m|E|}}$$

Well and good, I noticed that the general equation for an ellipse has that middle term 2\alpha \epsilon x but I could get rid of it if I just assume the ellipse's center is at the origin. Then I can say the general form for the ellipse is \frac{x^2}{a}+\frac{y^2}{b}=1 and go from there. When I do that I can redue the original equation to: $$\frac{(1−\epsilon^2)x^2}{\alpha^2} + \frac{y^2}{\alpha^2} = 1$$

Plugging in fo a (that is, noting that under the x is the value for a) I see I can make the denominator under x equal to \frac{\alpha^2}{(1-\epsilon^2}) which would make a=\frac{\alpha}{\sqrt{1-\epsilon}} and I can do the same thing for b, getting me b=\frac{\alpha}{\sqrt{1-\epsilon}} as well.

It's the next step I am a bit shaky on. Assuming \alpha = \frac{L^2}{mk} I am not entirely sure how to get the last step. I was thinking that to get total energy (E) I would just add the vectors of radial and tangental velocity, and plug that into KE= \frac{1}{2} mv^2. But I am trying to determine if I am in the right ballpark. It occurred to me I have to account for potential energy as well, though.
 
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Emspak said:
The task is to show that the major and minor axes are: $$a = \frac{\alpha}{\sqrt{1-\epsilon^2}} = \frac{k}{2|E|} \text{ and } b = \frac{\alpha}{\sqrt{1-\epsilon^2}} = \frac{L}{\sqrt{2m|E|}}$$
There's something wrong here. I suspect you are supposed to show that the *semi* major axis (not major axis) is ##a=\frac{\alpha}{1-\epsilon^2}## (note the lack of a square root) and that the *semi* minor axis is ##b=\frac{\alpha}{\sqrt{1-\epsilon^2}}##.

Well and good, I noticed that the general equation for an ellipse has that middle term 2\alpha \epsilon x but I could get rid of it if I just assume the ellipse's center is at the origin.
The ellipse's center is *not* at the origin. Set y to zero in the original equation. This is not of the form (x-c)^2 = 0.
 
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