How Do You Design a Parallel Capacitor Given Only Electric Field Intensity?

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The discussion revolves around the design of a parallel capacitor given only its electric field intensity, focusing on the necessary steps and equations to determine capacitance. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of capacitor design, including relevant equations and considerations for materials and geometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on designing a parallel capacitor using electric field intensity, mentioning relevant equations related to electric flux density and polarization vector.
  • Another participant provides a formula for capacitance, emphasizing the importance of the area of conductors, distance between them, and the dielectric constant of the material used.
  • Concerns are raised about practical considerations such as the longevity of dielectric materials, potential chemical reactions with conductors, and the implications of overvoltage breakdown.
  • A question is posed regarding the use of Laplace's Equation and Gauss' Law to derive capacitance for a spherical capacitor, suggesting a potential overlap in methodologies.
  • Further discussion indicates that building a simple air capacitor for experimental purposes may not require extensive calculations compared to practical applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of complexity in capacitor design, with some suggesting that simpler designs may not necessitate detailed calculations, while others emphasize the importance of theoretical foundations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific methodologies for deriving capacitance and the implications of different geometries.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific assumptions about materials and geometries, as well as unresolved questions about the radius in Gauss' Law and the applicability of different equations to various capacitor designs.

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do u all mind sharing with me what are the steps needed/ the procedures to design a capacitor? Its like I've been given only its electric field intensity. And is required to find out the capacitance... mind chip in some ideas for me? btw, I am designing a parallel capacitor.

relevant equations :
electric flux density, D = epsilon * electric field intensity + polarisation vector
polarisation vector = epsilon*electric susceptibility*electric field intensity

the attempt at a solution :
I've manage to solve the above and I am now stuck at the Gauss' law equation...
where
E=Q/(4*pi*r^2*epsilon)
can i know what does the radius stands for? is it the radius of a charge? or the radius of the capacitor? is it fixed or we can determine it ourselves? please help...
 
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skyT said:
do u all mind sharing with me what are the steps needed/ the procedures to design a capacitor? Its like I've been given only its electric field intensity. And is required to find out the capacitance... mind chip in some ideas for me? btw, I am designing a parallel capacitor.

relevant equations :
electric flux density, D = epsilon * electric field intensity + polarisation vector
polarisation vector = epsilon*electric susceptibility*electric field intensity

the attempt at a solution :
I've manage to solve the above and I am now stuck at the Gauss' law equation...
where
E=Q/(4*pi*r^2*epsilon)
can i know what does the radius stands for? is it the radius of a charge? or the radius of the capacitor? is it fixed or we can determine it ourselves? please help...

You essentially need two pieces of information to get started:

1. [itex]C = \varepsilon_{r} \frac{A}{4\pi d},[/itex] where:
A is the area of conductors
d is the distance between them
[itex]\varepsilon_{r}[/itex] is the dialetric constant of the materials separating the plates. The dialetric constant for air is about one, for a common commericial capacitor material such as Barium Titanate the value can reach 10,000.

2. The breakdown voltage of the particular material you use to separate the conductors. The breakdown voltage of air for instance is about 3 million volts per meter of separation (3000 volts per mm and so on).

The above concerns the primary physics.

Then there are the practicallities: How long will your dialetric material last? Will it chemically react with the conductors over time? If and when an overvoltage breakdown occurs, will the device fail explosively? What kind of container will you use? Will the container prevent other materials from entering the capacitor over time and changing its performance?
 
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wow. That sounds like a lot of work. Is it possible to prove that both Laplace Equation and Gauss' Law can be used to get the same value of capacitance for a spherical capacitor?
 
skyT said:
wow. That sounds like a lot of work.
Well not if you want to build a simple air capacitor for an experiment or demonstration, as opposed to practical use.

Is it possible to prove that both Laplace Equation and Gauss' Law can be used to get the same value of capacitance for a spherical capacitor?
The equation above for capacitance is independent of the geometry you chose. If you want to look into the derivation of capacitance from fundamental electromagnetic principals, perhaps the physics sub forum is a better place to ask, though I expect the wikipedia pages on capacitance already answer your questions.
 

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