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The discussion revolves around a mathematical expression involving integrals and exponential functions, specifically transitioning from one form of an integral to another in the context of a class assignment.

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  • Participants explore the process of simplifying an integral expression, questioning the disappearance of a factor and the manipulation of exponential terms. There are attempts to clarify the steps involved in expanding and simplifying the expression.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing feedback and suggestions for simplification. There is recognition of potential typos and misunderstandings, and some participants express uncertainty about specific steps in the process.

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There is mention of a typo in the original expression, and participants are addressing the implications of this error on their understanding of the problem. The limits of integration are specified as 0 to WB, which may influence the evaluation of the integral.

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Hello.

I am going through some worked examples for a class I have, and there is one step I don't understand, and I hope someone can help me with that.

It goes from

\frac{1}{D_pB}\int e^{x/d}(-de^{-W_B/d} + de^{-x/d}) dx

to

\frac{1}{D_pB}\int (1 - e^{x-W_B/d}) dx

The limits are 0 to WB

I have tried to work through a few things, such as multiplying out the brackets and all, but I am not getting it right, so I am doing something wrong.

Thanks.

Seán
 
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SMOF said:
Hello.

I am going through some worked examples for a class I have, and there is one step I don't understand, and I hope someone can help me with that.

It goes from

\frac{1}{D_pB}\int e^{x/d}(-de^{-W_B/d} + de^{-x/d}) dx

to

\frac{1}{D_pB}\int (1 - e^{x-W_B/d}) dx

The limits are 0 to WB

I have tried to work through a few things, such as multiplying out the brackets and all, but I am not getting it right, so I am doing something wrong.
Show us what you have done.
SMOF said:
Thanks.

Seán
 
Hi SMOF! :smile:

Multiplying the brackets out is the way to go.
What did you get?
Did you consider to use that ##e^x e^y = e^{x+y}##?

Btw, there is a typo in your example.
It appears you dropped a factor "d".
 
SMOF said:
Hello.

I am going through some worked examples for a class I have, and there is one step I don't understand, and I hope someone can help me with that.

It goes from

\frac{1}{D_pB}\int e^{x/d}(-de^{-W_B/d} + de^{-x/d}) dx

to

\frac{1}{D_pB}\int (1 - e^{x-W_B/d}) dx

The limits are 0 to WB

I have tried to work through a few things, such as multiplying out the brackets and all, but I am not getting it right, so I am doing something wrong.

Thanks.

Seán

It looks like in going from the first expression to the second they just made a factor of d disappear. I don't think that's right.
 
Hello.

Sorry, there was a typo, the second line should have been

\frac{d}{D_pB}\int e^{x/d}(-de^{-W_B/d} + de^{-x/d}) dx

Working out the brackets, I get

e^{x/d}(-de^{-W_B/d} + de^{-x/d}) dx

goes to (I think)

-de^{x-W_B/d} + de^{d}

I am not sure about the de^d part.

Seán
 
Not quite.

You should get:
$$-de^{(x/d)-(W_B/d)} + de^{(x/d) - (x/d)}$$
Perhaps you can simplify that?
 
Hello, thanks for the reply!

Right, am I right in saying that the de^(x-d)-(x-d) comes to e^0 = 1?

But the why is the other other exponential all over d, and not d - d?

Thanks.

Seán
 
I do not understand why you are using minus signs now instead of division slashes.
Any particular reason?

Anyway, you need to evaluate ##e^{x/d}e^{-W_B/d}##.


Considering that the power formula is ##\displaystyle e^a e^b = e^{a+b}##.
Can you substitute ##a=x/d## and ##b=-W_B/d## in this formula?
 
I like Serena said:
Any particular reason?

Yes, two. One, I am a bit of an idiot, and two, I should have been asleep hours ago! Sorry about that :redface:

Yes, I think I have it now.

Thanks for everyones help! And I shall make sure I read over what I have written before I submit it in future!

Again, many thanks.

Seán
 

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