How do you isolate for y when 0 = 2y + e^y

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The discussion revolves around the challenge of isolating the variable y in the equation 0 = 2y + e^y - 4x + 3. Participants explore various methods, including numerical approaches and the use of the Lambert W function, while seeking solutions and explanations.

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  • One participant suggests that isolating y analytically is very difficult or impossible due to the mixed types of functions involved.
  • Another participant mentions that numerical methods might be the only feasible approach in many situations where analytic solutions are not necessary.
  • A link to Wolfram Alpha is provided, indicating that the equation cannot be solved analytically.
  • It is noted that the Lambert W function is relevant for this type of equation, as it serves as the inverse function to f(x) = xe^x and cannot be expressed in simpler terms.
  • A participant outlines a method to rearrange the equation into a form suitable for applying the Lambert W function, suggesting that further steps can be taken to isolate y.

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Participants express a consensus that isolating y analytically is challenging, with some advocating for numerical methods while others highlight the Lambert W function as a potential tool. However, there is no clear agreement on a definitive solution or method.

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The discussion includes limitations related to the complexity of the equation and the dependence on the Lambert W function, which introduces multi-valued aspects that may complicate the isolation of y.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in mathematical problem-solving, particularly in the context of equations involving mixed functions and the application of special functions like the Lambert W function.

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How do you isolate for y when you have the equation 0 = 2y + e^y - 4x + 3?

Any tips, useful links or solutions and an explanation would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
 
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Numerics seems to be the only way. Usually when you have to isolate a variable that's acted on by different types of functions, it's very difficult or impossible to do analytically.
 
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In a lot of situations, it's not necessary to get analytic solutions. What is this for?
 
The "Wolfram Alpha" solution that johnqwertyful links to use the "Lambert W function" which is defined as the inverse function to [itex]f(x)= xe^x[/itex]. It cannot be written in terms of any simpler function.
 
MathewsMD said:
How do you isolate for y when you have the equation 0 = 2y + e^y - 4x + 3?

Any tips, useful links or solutions and an explanation would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

Well, when we have these mixed exponential equations, we try to put it in Lambert-W form. That is, in the form:

[tex]g(x,y)e^{g(x,y)}=h(x)[/tex]

Then by definition of the Lambert W function which you can look up, we take the W function of both sides and obtain:

[tex]g(x,y)=W(h)[/tex]

Now, doing a little moving around of your equation:

[tex]1/2 e^y=2x-3/2-y[/tex]
[tex]1/2 e^{2x-3/2}=e^{-y} e^{2x-3/2}(2x-3/2-y)[/tex]

or:

[tex](2x-3/2-y)e^{2x-3/2-y}=1/2 e^{2/x-3/2}[/tex]

I'll let you finish it to isolate y in terms of the perfectly valid (multi-valued) function of x in terms of the Lambert W-function.
 
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