How Do You Normalize Maxwell's Speed Distribution Function?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around normalizing Maxwell's speed distribution function, specifically the integral of the probability distribution function P(v) over the range from 0 to infinity. Participants are examining the mathematical formulation and integration techniques involved in this normalization process.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the substitution of variables to simplify the integral, questioning the treatment of constants and the implications of changing variables. There is discussion on the correct formulation of the integral and the role of constants in ensuring normalization.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on variable substitution and integration techniques, while others express confusion regarding the steps and the implications of their substitutions. Multiple interpretations of the integral and the constants involved are being explored, indicating an ongoing dialogue without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted discrepancy regarding the number of moles in the original equation, with some participants suggesting a correction to the formulation of the probability distribution function. This has led to further questioning of the assumptions underlying the problem.

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Homework Statement



Given Maxwell's probability distribution function,

P(v) = 4\pi\ (\frac{M}{2\pi RT})^{3/2} \cdot v^2 \cdot e^{\frac{-Mv^2}{nRT}}

Where v = velocity, M = molar mass, R = Universal Gas Constant, n = # of mols, T = temperature, solve

\int P(v) dv =1 from 0 to \infty.

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The Attempt at a Solution



So the idea here if it is not clear from the LaTeX above (sorry, still working on my LaTeX skills) is that I would like to prove that the integral of p(v) with respect to v is equal to one from 0 to infinity.

First, I figured that many of these variables are actually constants. Since we are only integrating with respect to v, they can be legally treated as such, and be taken out of the integral.

So, step 1:

\int 4\pi\ (\frac{M}{2\pi RT})^{3/2} \cdot v^2 \cdot e^{\frac{-Mv^2}{nRT}} dv = 1

then becomes:

4\pi\ (\frac{M}{2\pi RT})^{3/2} \int v^2 \cdot e^{\frac{-Mv^2}{nRT}} dv = 1

This is where I get stuck. My thoughts are as follows: because everything but the v term in e^{\frac{-Mv^2}{nRT}} is a constant, am I allowed to just give it a different variable, say x? This would leave me with e^{-xv^2}. I don't see how this can really help me, but I just wanted to show some of my thought process.

With the integral as it is, I plugged it into my calculator and came up with infinity as an answer. This makes sense to me, but is not the correct answer since it does not equate to 1. I also tried solving the integral by integration by parts, but could not find a good way to do that either.

I apologize for the long and drawn out problem here, but any help would be great! Thanks for looking!
 
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Ok you should set a new variable x=Cv^2~ where ~C=\frac{M}{2RT}
then dx=2Cvdv ~ ~and ~ of ~ course ~~ v =\sqrt{1/C}\sqrt{x}

Put that in, and you'll get:\frac{1}{2}C^{-3/2}\int_{0}^{\infty}\sqrt{x} e^{-x}dx

If you look in any mathematical handbook you'll find that that integral is well known gamma function and its value is (you can find it in tabels)

\Gamma(3/2) =\frac{\sqrt{\pi}{2}
 
sorry I had some problems.

Ok you should set a new variable x=Cv^2~ where ~C=\frac{M}{2RT}
then dx=2Cvdv ~ ~and ~ of ~ course ~~ v =\sqrt{1/C}\sqrt{x}

Put that in, and you'll get:\frac{1}{2}C^{-3/2}\int_{0}^{\infty}\sqrt{x} e^{-x}dx

If you look in any mathematical handbook you'll find that that integral is well known gamma function and its value is (you can find it in tabels)

\Gamma(3/2) =\frac{\sqrt{\pi}}{2}

You could also do this integral with complex integration but it's too "complex" :)
So the whole integral with all the constants give you exactly 1.
Actualy all this constants in front are there just to ensure that this integral will be 1(normalization of distribution).
 
Thanks for the reply, but I still seem to be a little lost. If I let C = \frac{M}{2RT}, that leaves me with 4 \pi \cdot ( \frac{C}{ \pi})^{3/2} \int \frac{x}{C} .... I don't see how making the C = \frac{M}{2RT} helps me in the latter half of the integral because I have a n term in there.

Thanks again!
 
I think that n - # of mols is wrong in your equation. There should be 2 instead of n (of course the distribution of speeds can not depend on number of molecules).
Then when you write the integral with that new variable you put in
vdv = dx/(2C) and for the v which stays you write v =\sqrt{1/C}\sqrt{x}
So you get 1/2 \cdot C^{-3/2} \cdot \Gamma(3/2)
now put in the result I wrote for gamma function. And multiply with all constants in front 4\pi (\frac{C}{\pi})^{-3/2}.

The result is 1.
Hope I was clear enough.
 
Oh ok, so you are saying that the original equation should be:

\int 4\pi\ (\frac{M}{2\pi RT})^{3/2} \cdot v^2 \cdot e^{\frac{-Mv^2}{2RT}} dv = 1

instead of:

\int 4\pi\ (\frac{M}{2\pi RT})^{3/2} \cdot v^2 \cdot e^{\frac{-Mv^2}{nRT}} dv = 1

?
 
you are rigth. basically all physics is in distribution v^2 e^{...}. Once you get this distribution from physics behind the problem you should normalize it. You integrate it from zero to infinity and then you divide the distribution with that result. That's how you ensure that the probability os finding a molekule with speed between 0 and intinity is 1.
 
Sorry to keep badgering you here, but I do not see how you get

\frac{1}{2}C^{-3/2}\int_{0}^{\infty}\sqrt{x} e^{-x}dx

The \sqrt{x} should be an x/C no? We let x = Cv², so that makes v² = x/C. The term you are substituting for there is v² not v. That would make the integral:

\int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{x}{C} e^{-x}dx

Am I way out in left field here? However, if I solve this integral, and plug in all the constants, I get 0 = 1, haha... which is definitely not the case.
 
ok I see the problem now, you are not familiar with integration with new variable.
In first integral you are integrating over v so you have dv in the end of integral. When you introduce new variable that include v, as in this case x, you then integrate over x. So you have to find out what dx is. Since you have the equation for x, you just derivate it and get dx. In our case dx=2Cvdv. Instead of vdv in first integral you write now dx/(2C). There still remains one v in integral since you have v^2 dv. So you express this v with x, v=sqrt(x/C). That's it. I hope you understand.
When you put new variable that contain the old one in integral you should also write what dx is. Cos it's not the same as dv.
 

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