How does a primary amine react with phthalic anhydride to form an imide?

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The discussion focuses on the reaction mechanism between phthalic anhydride and a primary amine, specifically how this reaction leads to the formation of an imide. Participants explore the roles of nucleophiles and electrophiles in this context, as well as the steps involved in the mechanism.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the electrophilicity of phthalic anhydride, suggesting that the carbonyl carbons may be sufficiently electrophilic for the reaction.
  • Another participant proposes that the amino group attacks one of the carbonyl carbons, leading to the formation of a tetrahedral intermediate.
  • A participant mentions a mechanism involving the ejection of a proton from a quaternary ammonium salt, which then protonates the alkoxy oxygen.
  • There is a suggestion that instead of proton ejection at the tetrahedral intermediate stage, the C=O pi bond could reform, resulting in the expulsion of the alkoxy oxygen as a carboxylate, followed by proton transfer to a secondary amide or carboxylic acid hybrid.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of specific steps in the proposed mechanisms, particularly regarding the formation of a C=OH+ group.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact mechanism of the reaction. Multiple competing views and uncertainties regarding the steps involved remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the electrophilicity of phthalic anhydride and the behavior of intermediates, indicating that assumptions about basicity and nucleophilicity may affect their proposed mechanisms.

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I'm trying to figure out the mechanism for the reaction between phthalic anhydride and a primary amine, yielding an imide. Can't find it anywhere.
 
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What nucleophiles can you see in your pot? What electrophiles?
 
The amino group is a nucleophile but I'm not too sure about phthalic anhydrides electrophilicity. The carbonyl carbons of the anhydride would be electrophilic enough I suppose. Heres my guess. The amino group attacks one of the carbonyl carbons of the anhydride which breaks the C=O pi bond and forms a tetrahedral intermediate. The quaternary ammonium salt then ejects a proton which protonates the alkoxy O.

The rest I don't understand. Someone drew a mechanism for me and the next step she drew was the carbonyl pi bond reforming and yielding a C=OH+ group. First time I've ever come across a C=OH+ group. Is that step correct?
 
Horseb0x said:
The amino group is a nucleophile but I'm not too sure about phthalic anhydrides electrophilicity. The carbonyl carbons of the anhydride would be electrophilic enough I suppose. Heres my guess. The amino group attacks one of the carbonyl carbons of the anhydride which breaks the C=O pi bond and forms a tetrahedral intermediate. The quaternary ammonium salt then ejects a proton which protonates the alkoxy O

Instead of ejection of the proton at the tetrahedral intermediate stage, how about the C=O pi bond reforms, kicking out the alkoxy oxygen as carboxylate (reasonably good LG), then proton transfer to a secondary amide / carboxylic acid hybrid. Whilst amides aren't usually that basic, perhaps the proximity of the amide to the acid means you can repeat the nucleophilic attack on the other carbonyl?
 

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