How does an object float on water?

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The discussion revolves around the principles of buoyancy and floating objects in water, specifically exploring Archimedes' principle and the conditions under which an object floats. Participants are examining the relationship between the weight of an object, the weight of the water displaced, and the forces acting on the object.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that for an object to float, it must displace an amount of water equal to its weight or more, questioning the reasoning behind this requirement.
  • Others reference Archimedes' principle, stating that the upward buoyant force equals the weight of the displaced water and must balance the object's weight for it to float.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the relationship between the buoyant force and the weight of the fluid that would occupy the column, seeking clarification on this equivalence.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of density, with some noting that objects denser than water tend to sink.
  • One participant attempts to clarify that a light object displacing a large volume of water relative to its weight is necessary for floating, while another challenges this statement by emphasizing that a light object displaces a smaller volume of water.
  • Some participants suggest that a basic understanding of forces is necessary to grasp Archimedes' principle fully.
  • A later post attempts to summarize the relationship between pressure, buoyant force, and displacement, indicating some understanding but also expressing uncertainty about the concepts involved.
  • Another participant presents a mathematical interpretation of Archimedes' principle, attempting to relate the weights of the object in air and water to the weight of the displaced water.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the principles of buoyancy and floating. There is no consensus on the clarity of the concepts discussed, and multiple interpretations of Archimedes' principle and its implications remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate limitations in their understanding of forces, which may affect their grasp of buoyancy concepts. Additionally, there are unresolved questions regarding the relationship between pressure, buoyant force, and the weight of displaced water.

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I know that for something to float on water it has to displace an amount of water equal to its weight or more than that . But why is this so ?
 
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Celluhh said:
I know that for something to float on water it has to displace an amount of water equal to its weight or more than that .
The weight of water displaced will equal the weight of the floating object.
But why is this so ?
Are you familiar with Archimedes' principle? The upward buoyant force on an object due to the pressure of the water equals the weight of the displaced water. If it's floating, the net force on it must be zero, so the upward buoyant force must balance the downward weight of the object.
 
Oh I see. There was one website that said if a light object displaces a large amount of water in relation to its weight , it will float .

Yes I do know what it is but I have not learned about forces yet . Does this mean I have to have a basic understanding of forces to understand Archimedes principle ?
 
Thank you travis_king!
 
The magnitude of that force is proportional to the difference in the pressure between the top and the bottom of the column, and is also equivalent to the weight of the fluid that would otherwise occupy the column. For this reason, an object whose density is greater than that of the fluid in which it is submerged tends to sink.


I copied the above from Wikipedia and I understand the first part but not the second part. Why is the force equivalent to the the weight of fluid that would otherwise occupy the column ??
 
Celluhh said:
There was one website that said if a light object displaces a large amount of water in relation to its weight , it will float .
I don't quite understand that statement. A light object will displace a small volume of water (compared to the volume of the object), but that's all that's needed for it to float.

Yes I do know what it is but I have not learned about forces yet . Does this mean I have to have a basic understanding of forces to understand Archimedes principle ?
You need to know a little bit about forces, since floating and Archimedes' principle involves the force of gravity (weight) and the buoyant force.
 
Celluhh said:
Why is the force equivalent to the the weight of fluid that would otherwise occupy the column ??
Read this: Buoyancy
 
Ok so basically the first experiment is trying to tell
Me that as long as two objects have the same volume they will experience the Same amount f pressure and as since there is same amount of pressure it means that the buoyant force up against the water ball is the same as the buoyant force up against the actual ball of the same volume and hence when the same volume ball replaces the water ball it will experience ye same internal pressure but ends up displaces an amount of water which is of the same volume as it is . Did I understand it correctly ?
 
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Oh wait it's not the volume but the weight it seems like I still cannot understand it
 
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Celluhh said:
Ok so basically the first experiment is trying to tell
Me that as long as two objects have the same volume they will experience the Same amount f pressure and as since there is same amount of pressure it means that the buoyant force up against the water ball is the same as the buoyant force up against the actual ball of the same volume and hence when the same volume ball replaces the water ball it will experience ye same internal pressure but ends up displaces an amount of water which is of the same volume as it is . Did I understand it correctly ?
Sounds like you've got it. Let me restate it:

The force of the water on the 'ball' (the buoyant force) is due to the pressure of the water outside the ball and does not depend on what's in the ball.
The first diagram shows that that buoyant force must equal the weight of an equal volume of water (the water ball example).
The second diagram shows that the same upward buoyant force will be exerted on any equal-size 'ball' regardless of what it's made of.
 
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Celluhh said:
I know that for something to float on water it has to displace an amount of water equal to its weight or more than that . But why is this so ?

All posters are saying the same thing in many different ways. So, I'll also give it a try.

(Object's weight in air) - (Object's weight in water) = (Weight of displaced water) --> by Archimedes

For a floating object,

(Object's weight in air) = (Weight of displaced water)

This means (Object's weight in water) must be zero. If the weight is zero, it must be floating.
I once calculated, under some conditions, an object can stand still under water (not falling to the ocean floor). I think submarines use this conditions also.
 

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