Simple harmonic oscillators on floating object in liquid

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The discussion revolves around determining the angular frequency (omega) of a cylindrical object floating on water that undergoes simple harmonic motion as it moves up and down. Participants explore the relationship between the forces acting on the object and the equations of motion governing its oscillation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the equation pw*pi*r^2*dg=pc*pi*r^2Hg, expressing confusion over its meaning and the symbols involved.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for an equation that describes the restoring force on the cylinder when displaced from its equilibrium position, likening it to the behavior of a mass on a spring.
  • A participant mentions having previously solved the problem but doubts the method used, indicating uncertainty about the correct approach to derive omega.
  • There is a suggestion that writing down the equation of motion is crucial, with a basic form provided (m d2x/dt2 = -ax) to illustrate the relationship between force and displacement.
  • One participant expresses concern about equating acceleration to gravity, suggesting that it implies gravity changes over time, which they believe is incorrect.
  • A participant acknowledges the need to improve their handwriting while discussing the clarity of their written work.

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Participants express differing views on the correct method to derive omega and the interpretation of certain equations. There is no consensus on the approach to solving the problem, and uncertainty remains regarding the assumptions made in the calculations.

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Participants have not defined all symbols clearly, and there are unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying the equations presented. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the problem.

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How can I find omega on an object that is floating on water which is moving up and down on the object? The problem goes by giving you a cylindrical object with radius r and height H, pw(density of water), pc(density of circle) and x(t)=a*cos(wt). I do not understand why pw*pi*r^2*dg=pc*pi*r^2Hg
 
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You haven't defined the symbols or what that equation represents so it's hard to answer this.
Basically you need an equation which describes the 'restoring force' on the cylinder when it's displaced up or down from its equilibrium floating level. Weight force of displaced water is proportional to the volume displaced (positive or negative, depending. That net force (+/-) is the restoring force and is just the same idea as when you pull down a mass on a spring - and all the other forms of harmonic oscillator.
Then you can write down the second order equation of motion - which gives you ω for the oscillation.
 
I apologize, you are completely right. This is a picture of the problem.
 

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You haven't defined the symbols or what that equation represents so it's hard to answer this.
Basically you need an equation which describes the 'restoring force' on the cylinder when it's displaced up or down from its equilibrium floating level. Weight force of displaced water is proportional to the volume displaced (positive or negative, depending. That net force (+/-) is the restoring force and is just the same idea as when you pull down a mass on a spring - and all the other forms of harmonic oscillator.
Then you can write down the second order equation of motion - which gives you ω for the oscillation.
I did try to solve the problem, before, got the right answer, but used the wrong method. Right now i do not know how to solve it.
 

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tiz arrior said:
I did try to solve the problem, before, got the right answer, but used the wrong method. Right now i do not know how to solve it.
If you write down the equation of motion then you can't be "wrong". Who told you you have used the wrong method? If your equation of motion is of the basic form
m d2x/dt2 = -ax
a is the shrunk down version of the force /distance relationship
then that's all you need.
Actually solving the equation can be found all over the place and ω just drops out in your lap.
PS your handwriting is about as hard to read as mine is but your handwritten stuff looks about right.
 
sophiecentaur said:
If you write down the equation of motion then you can't be "wrong". Who told you you have used the wrong method? If your equation of motion is of the basic form
m d2x/dt2 = -ax
a is the shrunk down version of the force /distance relationship
then that's all you need.
Actually solving the equation can be found all over the place and ω just drops out in your lap.
PS your handwriting is about as hard to read as mine is but your handwritten stuff looks about right.[/QUOTE
I was told that I couldn’t equal my acceleration to gravity since it would mean that gravity is changing over time which is not true. I did that on the top left corner. I wrote that the second derivative of angular position is equal to angular acceleration which I equaled it to gravity. Hence, proceded to answer the question based on this assumption.
->Haha, actually, i do need to improve my hand writing a bit.
 
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This is the final answer. Thank you for your help.
 

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