How Does Arcsinh Relate to Arccosh in Trigonometric Transformations?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the inverse hyperbolic sine function (arcsinh) and the inverse hyperbolic cosine function (arccosh) in the context of trigonometric transformations. Participants explore how to simplify expressions involving these functions, particularly in relation to a variable \( y \) defined in terms of \( s \).

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a desire to simplify the expression \( x = \text{arcsinh} \left( \frac{\sqrt{1-y^2}}{y} \right) \) and relate it to \( x = \text{arccosh} \frac{1}{y} \).
  • One participant derives that \( \cosh^2 x - \sinh^2 x = 1 \) leads to \( \cosh x = \frac{1}{|y|} \), suggesting \( x = \pm \arccosh \frac{1}{|y|} \) depending on the sign of \( y \).
  • Another participant presents a curve defined by \( x = \arsinh s - \frac{s}{\sqrt{s^2-1}} \) and \( y = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1+s^2}} \), leading to a series of transformations that ultimately relate back to \( \arccosh \frac{1}{|y|} \).
  • There is a discussion about the implications of assuming \( y > 0 \) based on the definition of \( y \) and the condition \( s > 0 \), with some participants suggesting that this is a deduction rather than an assumption.
  • One participant provides logarithmic definitions of arcsinh and arccosh, attempting to show the equivalence of the two expressions through manipulation of these definitions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the transformations and relationships between the functions but do not reach a consensus on how to eliminate the \( \pm \) and absolute value signs in the final expression. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the simplification process and the conditions under which certain assumptions hold.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the variable \( y \) is derived from \( y = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1+s^2}} \), which may imply \( y > 0 \), but this is not universally accepted as a given. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the condition \( s > 0 \) for certain deductions.

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Hey! :o

We have that $s=\frac{\sqrt{1-y^2}}{y}$ and $x=\text{arcsinh} (s)=\text{arcsinh} \frac{\sqrt{1-y^2}}{y}$. How can we simplify this?
According to my book it is $x=\text{arccosh} \frac{1}{y}$. How do we get that? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

We have that $s=\frac{\sqrt{1-y^2}}{y}$ and $x=\text{arcsinh} (s)=\text{arcsinh} \frac{\sqrt{1-y^2}}{y}$. How can we simplify this?
According to my book it is $x=\text{arccosh} \frac{1}{y}$. How do we get that? (Wondering)

Hey mathmari! (Smile)

We have:
$$\sinh x = s = \frac{\sqrt{1-y^2}}{y}$$
which is bijective.

Furthermore, we have:
$$\cosh^2 x - \sinh^2 x = 1$$

It follows that:
$$\cosh x= \sqrt{1+\sinh^2 x} = \frac{1}{|y|}$$
(Note that $\cosh$ is always positive.)

So that:
$$x = \pm\arcosh \frac{1}{|y|}$$

Checking the cases where $y$ is either positive or negative, we find:
$$x = \operatorname{sgn}(y)\arcosh \frac{1}{|y|}$$
(Mmm)
 
I see... (Nerd) We have the curve $$\left (\arsinh s-\frac{s}{\sqrt{s^2-1}}, \frac{1}{\sqrt{1+s^2}}\right ), s>0$$

If $(x,y)$ is a point of the curve then $$x=\arsinh s-\frac{s}{\sqrt{s^2-1}} \ \ \text{ and } \ \ y=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+s^2}}.$$

We have that $$y=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+s^2}} \Rightarrow \sqrt{1+s^2}=\frac{1}{y} \Rightarrow 1+s^2=\frac{1}{y^2} \Rightarrow s^2=\frac{1}{y^2}-1 \Rightarrow s=\pm \sqrt{\frac{1}{y^2}-1} \Rightarrow s=\pm \frac{\sqrt{1-y^2}}{|y|}$$

We set: $$w=\arsinh s \Rightarrow \sinh w = s = \pm \frac{\sqrt{1-y^2}}{|y|}$$

We have $$\cosh^2 w - \sinh^2 w = 1 \Rightarrow \cosh w= \sqrt{1+\sinh^2 w} = \frac{1}{|y|} \Rightarrow w = \pm\arcosh \frac{1}{|y|}$$

So we get $$x=\pm\arcosh \frac{1}{|y|}-\left (\pm \frac{\sqrt{1-y^2}}{|y|}\right )y$$

How do we get rid of the $\pm$ and the absolute value, since the result should be $$x=\arcosh \frac{1}{y}- \sqrt{1-y^2}$$ ? (Wondering)
 
Since we have taken $$y=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+s^2}}$$ do we maybe assume that $y>0$ ? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
Since we have taken $$y=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+s^2}}$$ do we maybe assume that $y>0$ ? (Wondering)

Yep. (Nod)
Although rather than "assuming", we're "deducing". (Nerd)
Furthermore, in the problem statement it is given that $s>0$, so we can immediately pick a $+$ sign for $s$ as well.
 
I like Serena said:
Yep. (Nod)
Although rather than "assuming", we're "deducing". (Nerd)
Furthermore, in the problem statement it is given that $s>0$, so we can immediately pick a $+$ sign for $s$ as well.

Ok... Thank you very much! (Yes)
 
mathmari said:
Hey! :o

We have that $s=\frac{\sqrt{1-y^2}}{y}$ and $x=\text{arcsinh} (s)=\text{arcsinh} \frac{\sqrt{1-y^2}}{y}$. How can we simplify this?
According to my book it is $x=\text{arccosh} \frac{1}{y}$. How do we get that? (Wondering)

Note that $$\cosh^2(x)-1=\sinh^2(x),\cosh^2(x)=\sinh^2(x)+1$$ and $$\cosh(x)+\sinh(x)=e^x$$.

Then $$\arsinh(x)=\ln\left(x+\sqrt{x^2+1}\right)$$ and $$\arcosh(x)=\ln\left(x+\sqrt{x^2-1}\right)$$.

$$\arsinh\left(\frac{\sqrt{1-y^2}}{y}\right)=\ln\left(\frac{\sqrt{1-y^2}}{y}+\sqrt{\frac{1-y^2}{y^2}+1}\right)=\ln\left(\sqrt{\frac{1}{y^2}-1}+\frac{1}{|y|}\right)=\arcosh\frac{1}{|y|}$$
 

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