How Does Current Affect Li-Ion Battery Efficiency?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the efficiency of Li-Ion batteries, particularly how current affects their performance. Participants explore concepts related to energy dissipation, the impact of operating conditions such as voltage and temperature, and methods for quantifying battery losses.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the energy dissipated in Li-Ion batteries is solely due to heat dissipation, suggesting that unwanted chemical reactions may also contribute, especially at higher temperatures.
  • Another participant indicates that operating below the rated voltage is analogous to operating above the rated current, implying similar effects on efficiency.
  • There is a suggestion that while Li-Ion batteries may operate better at higher temperatures, this does not necessarily equate to increased efficiency, particularly at zero load.
  • A participant proposes that battery loss can be approximated using a model of a perfect power supply with an additional series resistor, where larger currents result in greater voltage drops.
  • Questions arise regarding the quantification of battery losses beyond the simple formula P=I²R, indicating a desire for deeper understanding of the factors affecting efficiency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between voltage, current, and efficiency, with no consensus reached on the implications of operating conditions or the best methods for quantifying losses.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various assumptions about battery behavior under different operating conditions, but these assumptions remain unresolved within the discussion.

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Hi,

I am trying to figure out how Li-Ion batteries operate in regards to efficiency. I understand they have rated voltage and current etc. and to operate them at these parameters if possible. However, I'm wondering is it simply the current that has effect on their efficiency. By Efficiency I mean the amount of energy leaving the battery that get transferred to the appliance divided by the amount of energy leaving the battery.
Is the energy dissipated in the battery solely due to heat dissipation?
If it's operated below rated voltage what effect does this have?
I also understand that Li-Ion operate better at higher temperatures, but does this not just mean that they operate at a higher voltage at these temperatures but aren't actually more "efficient"?

Thanks for any help, trying to get my head around this!
 
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Is the energy dissipated in the battery solely due to heat dissipation?
Heat is where the energy mainly ends up, yes. Maybe some unwanted chemical reactions in addition, especially if it gets hot.

If it's operated below rated voltage what effect does this have?
This is the same as operating it above the rated current.

I also understand that Li-Ion operate better at higher temperatures, but does this not just mean that they operate at a higher voltage at these temperatures but aren't actually more "efficient"?
I would expect more efficiency, but not a higher voltage at zero load.
 
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mfb said:
Heat is where the energy mainly ends up, yes. Maybe some unwanted chemical reactions in addition, especially if it gets hot.

This is the same as operating it above the rated current.

I would expect more efficiency, but not a higher voltage at zero load.

Ok, I see. Why is voltage below rated voltage the same as operating it above the rated current?
Is there anyway of quantifying battery losses beyond P=I^{2}*R?

Thanks!
 
You can approximate the battery as a perfect power supply with an additional resistor in series. A larger current will lead to a larger voltage drop at this (virtual) resistor, so the output voltage goes down.

Battery loss is then given by I2R = I(U-U0) with the zero load voltage U0.
 
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