How does de Broglie postulate enter into the Schroedinger theory?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between de Broglie's postulate and Schrödinger's wave mechanics, exploring how the momentum-wavelength relationship is integrated into quantum mechanics. It includes technical explanations of wavefunctions, momentum operators, and the implications for different quantum systems, such as free particles and harmonic oscillators.

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  • One participant explains that in position-representation quantum mechanics, the momentum operator and plane wave wavefunctions demonstrate that the de Broglie postulate is inherently included in Schrödinger wave mechanics.
  • Another participant questions the applicability of the de Broglie postulate to harmonic oscillator functions, noting that these solutions are not momentum eigenstates.
  • A different participant emphasizes that the de Broglie momentum-wavelength relation should be demonstrated using free-particle systems, where solutions are plane waves with defined momentum and wavelength.
  • Some participants discuss the challenges of learning quantum mechanics in a short time frame, with differing opinions on the effectiveness of attempting to learn under pressure.
  • One participant suggests that the de Broglie model applies to free particles with constant momentum, while noting that particles in varying potentials exhibit changing wavelengths, requiring a different mathematical approach.
  • Another participant relates the momentum operator to properties of Fourier transforms, suggesting a deeper mathematical connection.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of the de Broglie postulate to various quantum systems, particularly between free particles and harmonic oscillators. There is also disagreement on the feasibility of learning quantum mechanics effectively in a limited timeframe.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about the nature of wavefunctions and their applicability to different quantum systems, as well as the mathematical methods required to analyze them. The conversation reflects a range of perspectives on the complexity of quantum mechanics and the learning process.

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How does de Broglie postulate enter into the Schroedinger theory?
 
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In position-representation (Schrödinger) quantum mechanics, the momentum operator is [itex]{\bf p}=-i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/itex] and a plane wave wavefunction of wavelength ##\lambda## is [itex]\psi (x) = e^{2 \pi i x / \lambda}[/itex]. If you operate on the plane wave with the momentum operator, you get [itex]{\bf p} e^{2 \pi i x / \lambda}=\frac{2 \pi \hbar}{\lambda}e^{2 \pi i x / \lambda}[/itex], i.e. the plane wave is a momentum eigenstate with momentum [itex]p = \frac{2 \pi \hbar}{\lambda} = \frac{h}{\lambda}[/itex]. This relation between momentum and wavelength is exactly the De Broglie postulate.

So, we see here that the DB postulate is "built-in" in the Schrödinger wave mechanics.
 
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What happen if the function is an harmonic oscillator function?
 
The solutions of harmonic oscillator Schrödinger equation are not momentum eigenstates. The fact that De Broglie momentum-wavelength relation is reproduced in Schrödinger QM must be demonstrated with the free-particle system (in which the solutions of SE are plane waves with well defined momentum and wavelength).
 
can you suggest me a good textbook for quantum mech which will help me to clear any interview in quantum mech.. please its urgent..i have an interview in between 2 weeks...
 
Principles of Quantum Mechanics by R. Shankar is one of many good quantum mechanics textbooks. But before you run out and buy it or any other, you should let us know what the interview is for and what your mathematics and physics background is. Is the interview for a job, or for school placement or for what? Have you had calculus, differential equations, linear algebra, and/or a basic physics survey course?
 
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Mitadru Banik said:
can you suggest me a good textbook for quantum mech which will help me to clear any interview in quantum mech.. please its urgent..i have an interview in between 2 weeks...
You aren't going to be able to learn Quantum Mechanics from scratch in two weeks, especially if you don't already have a book on the subject. And nothing turns an interviewer off faster than the sense that you're trying to bluff him out. My advice is to be honest and admit that you're not very familiar with it.
 
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I disagree. You will benefit more from trying and failing than you will from not trying. You can't learn all of QM in two weeks, but you may learn enough to pass the interview.
 
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Vic Sandler said:
I disagree. You will benefit more from trying and failing than you will from not trying. You can't learn all of QM in two weeks, but you may learn enough to pass the interview.
I guess my comment comes from experience dealing with TA's who said they knew Quantum Mechanics and didn't.
 
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I have already read Resnick and Eisberg but still there are many confusions about the subject which is not good for my interview. Actually the interview is for my MSc admission. So i need a easy book which can remove my most of the confusions about the subject.
 
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What happen if the function is an harmonic oscillator function?

The de Broglie model describes free particles, which have constant momentum and hence a well-defined and constant wavelength.

For particles that move through regions of changing potential, the wavelength changes from point to point. If you want to pursue this analogy, think of light moving through a region of changing refractive index: the wavelength changes from point to point. To describe light "waves" mathematically in this situation you would need to consider contributions from more than one wavelength, i.e. by using a sum of harmonic terms, otherwise known as a Fourier series or integral.

The wave functions that arise in the Schroedinger equation can similarly be thought of as Fourier series or integrals of harmonic functions that conform to certain boundary conditions.

...Incidentally, looked at in this way, the momentum operator mentioned above by Hilbert2 appears naturally as a (well-known) mathematical property of Fourier transforms.
 
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