How does electric current flow through a conductor

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The discussion revolves around the nature of electric current flow through conductors, specifically whether electrons physically flow or merely vibrate in place, and the implications of this behavior on atomic stability within the conductor. Participants explore concepts related to direct current (DC) and alternating current (AC), as well as the behavior of electrons in conductive materials.

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  • Some participants question whether electrons in a conductor displace and flow or if only energy disturbances cause them to vibrate in place.
  • Concerns are raised about the stability of atoms in a conductor if electrons were to flow, with some arguing that atomic stability is maintained due to the attraction between electrons and nuclei.
  • One participant suggests that textbooks could provide clearer explanations of current flow, indicating that a lack of understanding may stem from insufficient background knowledge.
  • Another participant mentions that electron behavior in conductors involves both localized and delocalized bonds, suggesting a complex interaction that allows for stable current flow.
  • A participant references HC Verma's explanation of drift speed, proposing that there may be both oscillation and flow of particles in a conductor carrying electric current.
  • Some participants express a desire for deeper understanding of physics, indicating dissatisfaction with the educational focus on rote application of formulas rather than conceptual comprehension.

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Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement, particularly regarding the nature of electron movement and the implications for atomic stability. There is no consensus on whether the flow of electrons leads to instability in the conductor, and the discussion remains unresolved on several key points.

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Participants reference various educational resources, indicating that understanding may be hindered by the complexity of the material and the way it is presented in textbooks. There is mention of differing educational approaches that may affect comprehension.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of physics and electrical engineering who seek to understand the fundamental concepts of electric current and the behavior of electrons in conductors.

  • #61
AlphaLearner said:
Summarizing what I actually meant to say in #57 since what I wanted to express is not clear:

Till what extent that electrons are still free to flow at 0K? No matter whether it is practical to create such a condition or not... Atleast in theory, is it possible?
I thought I already answered this (post 58).
But you don't have to take my word, just read some of the books.
Or maybe start with some quantum mechanics. The behavior of electrons in metals is not described by classical mechanics at all (the classical predictions are order of magnitude off). See Drude model versus Sommerfeld model.
The distance between atoms in the lattice is not really relevant for the mean free path of electrons. Actualy the mean free path increases dramatically at low temperatures. It can reach millimeters or even centimeters for very pure samples. This behavior cannot be understood in terms of classical collisions between electrons and atoms in the lattice.
 
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  • #62
nasu said:
Or maybe start with some quantum mechanics. The behavior of electrons in metals is not described by classical mechanics at all (the classical predictions are order of magnitude off). See Drude model versus Sommerfeld model.
The distance between atoms in the lattice is not really relevant for the mean free path of electrons. Actualy the mean free path increases dramatically at low temperatures. It can reach millimeters or even centimeters for very pure samples. This behavior cannot be understood in terms of classical collisions between electrons and atoms in the lattice.
Thank's for your reply, I didnt notice your post yet it maybe marked away from green.
 
  • #63
AlphaLearner said:
Summarizing what I actually meant to say in #57 since what I wanted to express is not clear:

Now after reading what I wrote carefully, I thought of expressing contraction of metals will lessen the space, make structure more condensed, making free electrons trapped in latice causing problems for free electrons to flow, then I wanted to state that even since electrons lose energy from their ultimate energy level required for them to be free from that atom, electrons get closer to nucleus and due to nuclear charge on electrons, they show resistance to move from atom and went on... Finally wanted to say that there can't be 'Free electrons' to flow at 0K making conductivity of a materal almost negligible considering those above 2 main points. My main intention is to oppose that there can be 'Free electrons' at 0K in a conductor. Till what extent that electrons are still free to flow at 0K? No matter whether it is practical to create such a condition or not... Atleast in theory, is it possible?

Even at zero kelvin there are still huge numbers of electrons in the conduction band of a metallic conductor (not in semiconductors though). Current actually flows better at extremely low temperatures in a metallic conductor than it does at room temperature, as nasu said in post #58. In fact, at temperatures near 0 K metals often become superconductive. Electrons are never trapped between ions in the lattice. They just don't work that way.

I'd also like to reiterate that you cannot think of conduction in terms of classical particles. Electrons are not hard, spherical balls that move through a material in set paths and bounce off of things like pinballs in a pinball machine. They are quantum particles that behave in non-intuitive ways.
 
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