How Does Faraday's Law Apply to a Non-Uniformly Charged Cylindrical Shell?

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The discussion revolves around applying Faraday's Law to an infinitely long conducting cylindrical shell with a non-uniform current density. The user seeks to understand how to calculate the induced electric field outside the shell, particularly questioning the relationship between the magnetic field and the area for flux calculation. Clarification is provided that a closed loop perpendicular to the magnetic field lines should be considered for accurate flux determination. The user realizes that the area for flux should be based on the radius at which the electric field is being evaluated, rather than the shell's inner radius. The conversation emphasizes the importance of considering the geometry of the problem when applying electromagnetic laws.
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First off, I'm sorry but I am LaTeX illiterate :frown:.

Homework Statement


An infinitely long conducting cylindrical shell has an inner radius A, an outer radius B, and carries a non-uniform current density J= [2ar]sin(wt) where a and w are constant.

What is the magnitude of the induced electric field a distance r > B from the central axis of the cylindrical shell.

Homework Equations



Ampere's Law
\oint {B \cdot ds = \mu _0 I_C }

Faraday's Law
\oint {E \cdot ds = - \frac{d}{{dt}}} \Phi_BI know the electric and magnetic field as well as the curves are all vectors, but don't know how to throw them into latex.

The Attempt at a Solution



I had a similar question like this on a final exam, and have to admit I was confused. I just don't want to bother my professor during Winter break with this question out of respect.

I think I know how to solve this mechanically, first I'd integrate the current density J with respect to r from radius A to radius B to solve for the total current making sure I include (2*pi*rdr) as a differential, then I'd throw this result into Ampere's Law to find the magnitude of the magnetic field. Then I'd have to multiple this by an area, take the time derivative, then divide out by the curve where the electric field is. This is all due to everything being symmetric.

My question is, since the field lines have to pass through a closed loop in order for there to be a flux through an area which produces an induced emf around that closed loop according to Faraday's Law. For this example isn't that area surrounded by the closed loop and the magnetic field from Ampere's Law in the same plane? How can there be flux if the field lines are parallel to the plane?

In other words, to find the flux I'd have to multiply the magnetic field by pi*r^2?. Is this, my original assumption, or neither correct?
 
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1stepatatime said:
My question is, since the field lines have to pass through a closed loop in order for there to be a flux through an area which produces an induced emf around that closed loop according to Faraday's Law. For this example isn't that area surrounded by the closed loop and the magnetic field from Ampere's Law in the same plane? How can there be flux if the field lines are parallel to the plane?

You need to take a closed loop that is perpendicular to the field lines. Consider a tiny circle centered around "r", that's perpendicular to the magnetic field lines. It has area pi*R^2 and the induced electric field around the loop is constant (because the circle is tiny), so you can use Faraday's law of induction.
 
ideasrule said:
You need to take a closed loop that is perpendicular to the field lines. Consider a tiny circle centered around "r", that's perpendicular to the magnetic field lines. It has area pi*R^2 and the induced electric field around the loop is constant (because the circle is tiny), so you can use Faraday's law of induction.

ahhhh I see, it makes clear sense! I wasn't thinking about "r" being in a different plane and limited it to the plane with the cross-sectional area of the cylindrical shell. Thank you Ideasrule. In regards to the flux, would you multiply the magnetic field by pi*B^2 which is the radius of the shell, from it's center even though it's a shell with an inner radius A?
 
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