How does infa-red heat things up?

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The discussion centers around the mechanisms by which infrared (IR) radiation heats objects, exploring the relationship between IR frequencies and atomic vibrational modes, as well as the broader implications of energy absorption across different electromagnetic frequencies.

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  • Some participants explain that the temperature of an object relates to the average energy of its particles, which interact with incoming infrared rays through radiation, leading to heat transfer via conduction.
  • It is noted that atomic vibrational modes correspond to IR frequencies, suggesting a connection between these modes and the heating effect of IR radiation.
  • Questions are raised about why IR frequencies specifically transfer thermal energy and cause random particle motion, while other frequencies (UV, X-ray, radio) do not have the same effect.
  • Participants inquire whether the emission and absorption of thermal radiation as IR frequencies is a universal property of all atoms, and whether some atoms are opaque or transparent to IR frequencies, potentially limiting heat transfer mechanisms to convection or conduction.
  • A detailed mathematical derivation is presented, linking vibrational modes in a lattice to IR frequencies, suggesting that light can couple effectively into these vibrations, although it is acknowledged that other wavelengths can also produce heat through different mechanisms.

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The discussion contains multiple competing views and questions regarding the specific mechanisms of heat transfer through IR radiation, and no consensus is reached on the broader implications of these mechanisms.

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Participants express uncertainty about the phrasing of questions and whether they are straying from the original topic, indicating a potential limitation in communication or clarity within the discussion.

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How does infa-red heat things up?
 
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'Temperature' of an object is related to the average energy of the particles make it up. The surface particles of the object will interact with the incoming infrared ray (which is an electromagnetic wave) due to the fact that particles are made of charges. This process of heat transfer is called radiation. Then heat will be transferred via conduction to the inner side of the object.
 
The atomic vibrational modes correspond to IR frequencies.
This coupled with the previous post should answer the question.
 
quantum123 said:
How does infa-red heat things up?

The energy is absorbed.
 
graphene said:
The atomic vibrational modes correspond to IR frequencies.

Could you elaborate on this? I was wondering why IR frequencies transfer thermal energy/cause random particle motion, which corresponds to temperature increase, and other frequencies (UV, x-ray, radio,...) do not. Is the emission/absorption of thermal radiation as IR frequencies a specific property of all atoms? Are any atoms opaque/transparent to IR frequencies, and if so does this mean that heat can only occur through convection or conduction in the material?
 
GRB 080319B said:
Could you elaborate on this? I was wondering why IR frequencies transfer thermal energy/cause random particle motion, which corresponds to temperature increase, and other frequencies (UV, x-ray, radio,...) do not. Is the emission/absorption of thermal radiation as IR frequencies a specific property of all atoms? Are any atoms opaque/transparent to IR frequencies, and if so does this mean that heat can only occur through convection or conduction in the material?

I seem to be having an inefficacy obtaining an answer and am wondering if there is an apparent problem with the way I'm phrasing my questions. Am I simply straying too far from the op (should I always start a new thread in order to ask questions), asking too many questions at once, or something else? Any help will be greatly appreciated.
 
EDIT: I just realized this derivation isn't necessary, since it's simply known from a classical harmonic oscillator that frequency is proportional to sqrt(k/m). But I'll leave it here anyway.

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This is adapted from a class I took, and can give you the right numbers. I don't know how intuitive it is though.

Consider a simple model of a wave in a lattice: a 1-D string of atoms, each with a displacement E perpendicular to the string. The displacement of atom m is Em. Each atom feels a linear restoring force from its two neighbors, with a spring constant C.

The force on atom m is Fm=C[(Em+1-Em)+(Em-1-Em)]. The acceleration of atom m (supressing the subscript m) is d2E/dt2.
If you write out the differential equation, and use a harmonic solution E=A*exp[i(kma-wt)], you can get the following result:

w2=2*C/M [1-cos(ka)], where w is the frequency and M is the mass of the atom.
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Then the frequency is on the order of sqrt(C/M). The mass is on the order of 10 g/mol, or 10^-26 kg. According to a mechanics book I have, the spring constant is on the order of 100 N/m. If you plug these in, you get a frequency of 10^14, or 100 THz, which corresponds to IR wavelengths.

So this basically says that there are vibrational modes in crystals with similar frequencies to IR, which means the light can couple into the vibrations very effectively. Of course this isn't the only way light can heat a crystal; absorption of any wavelength will produce heat as the excited electron thermalizes, for example.
 
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