How does Newton's Second Law Relate Velocity and Force?

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Homework Statement



Newton's second law is given by F = dp/dt. If the force is always parallel to the velocity, show that F = gamma3ma

Homework Equations



p = gamma*mv
gamma = 1/(1-v2/c2)1/2

The Attempt at a Solution



I really have no clue where to begin. This is what I've done so far, but I don't think I'm even on the right track.

F = dp/dt = gamma3ma = [1/(1-v2/c2)1/2]3ma
=1/(1-v2/c2)3/2ma
=1/(1 - 3v2/c2 + 3v4/c4 - v6/c6)1/2ma

Thats as far as i get on the right side.

For the left, all i can manage is dp/dt = d/dx p = d/dx gamma*mv
This is where I get confused. gamma and m are constant, so does dp/dt = gamma*m*dv/dt?

Some clarification would be great.

Thanks
 
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beecher said:

Homework Statement



Newton's second law is given by F = dp/dt. If the force is always parallel to the velocity, show that F = gamma3ma

Actually, Newton's second law says that \textbf{F}=\frac{d\textbf{p}}{dt}, this is why the condition that "force is always parallel to velocity" is important. ...Do you see why this condition means F=\frac{dp}{dt}?

Hint: Think of a particle undergoing uniform circular motion, its speed is constant, yet its momentum is still changing...why?

For the left, all i can manage is dp/dt = d/dx p = d/dx gamma*mv
This is where I get confused. gamma and m are constant, so does dp/dt = gamma*m*dv/dt?

Some clarification would be great.

Thanks

\gamma is dependent on the speed of the particle, right? Does the speed of the particle change with time when a force is applied parallel to its motion? If so, then \gamma will have implicit time dependence, and you will need to use the product rule to take the derivative \frac{dp}{dt}
 
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That makes sense, I wasnt thinking when I said gamma was constant.
So now I have dp/dt = d/dt(gamma*mv) = m d/dt (gamma*v) and I use product rule
= m (v*d/dt gamma + gamma dv/dt) and now I need to find d/dt gamma
gamma = (1-v2/c2)-1/2 and I use chain rule
d/dt gamma = -1/2 (1-v2/c2)-3/2d/dt(1-v2c-2) which is another product rule
d/dt (1-v2c-2) = -2vc-2+2c-3v2
so now plugging back in I get:
dp/dt = m (v[-1/2 (1-v2/c2)-3/2(-2vc-2+2c-3v2)] + gamma dv/dt)
This = m [v([(-1)(-2v/c2+2v2/c3)]/2gamma3) + gamma*dv/dt]
=m[v([v/c2-v2/c3]/gamma3)]+gamma*dv/dt
=m[(v2/c2-v3/c3)(gamma-3)+gamma*dv/dt]
=(v2/c2-v3/c3)gamma-3m + gamma*dv/dt*m
I am now a lot closer to the final solution, however I still can't get the last step.
I have gamma*dv/dt*m which = gamma*ma on the right side.
I need to make it gamma3ma.
One more tip should do it.
Thanks
 
beecher said:
which is another product rule
d/dt (1-v2c-2) = -2vc-2+2c-3v2

Ermm...isn't the speed of light a constant? You don't need the product rule here, but you do need the chain rule:

\frac{d}{dt}\left(1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}\right)=\frac{-2v}{c^2}\frac{dv}{dt}
 
Your right, I've been doing this for so long my brain is sluggish.
So dp/dt = m(v[-1/2(1-v2/c2)-3/2(-2v/c2dv/dt)] + gammadv/dt)
=m(v[gamma3v/c2dv/dt] + gammadv/dt)
=m(gamma3v2/c2dv/dt + gamma dv/dt)
=mgammadv/dt(gamma2v2/c2+1)
So thanks to your help I can now see the end in sight but still one last hump to get over to finally get the gamma3ma that I am looking for.
 
Concentrate on the term in brackets:

\gamma^2\frac{v^2}{c^2}+1=\frac{v^2}{c^2\left(1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}\right)}+1=\frac{v^2}{c^2-v^2}+1

put everything over a common denominator and simplify...
 
[v2/(c2-v2)]+[(c2-v2)/(c2-v2)]
=c2/c2-v2
Sub back into the rest
m*gammac2dv/dt/(c2-v2)
=[(mc2dv/dt)/(1-v2/c2)1/2] / c2-v2
=[(mc2dv/dt)/(1-v2/c2)1/2] * 1/(c2-v2)
 
Sure, but if you divide both the numerator and denominator of \frac{c^2}{c^2-v^2} by c^2, what do you get?
 
Aha!

Then it becomes gamma2 giving me mgammadv/dt(gamma2)
=mgamma3dv/dt
=gamma3ma
=Solution! :)

Thanks you very much, your help has been greatly appreciated!
 
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