How does phase affect the Nyquist Diagram - imaginary axis, how should it look?

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The discussion focuses on understanding the construction of the Nyquist Diagram and the impact of phase on its representation. Participants emphasize the importance of breaking down the transfer function into real and imaginary components to identify peak values on the imaginary axis. The phase shift from -180 to -270 degrees is acknowledged, with a suggestion to utilize the formula for phase relationships, specifically ##\phi = tan^{-1}(Im/Re)##, to clarify how phase affects the Nyquist Diagram.

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Please consider

http://gyazo.com/e5c5b4f7808a63e7e664440259ac3058

I agree with all notes made on that slide, but I don't actually get how they constructed the diagram from that? I understand that they line represents frequency so going to 0 to infinity means the line would travel from -0.5 to 0, but HOW DO THEY KNOW what the size values the curve peak at on the imaginary axis?

Further, it says phase decreases from -180 to -270, I agree from the transfer function, but how does this look on the Nyquist diagram? How does phase affect the Nyquist diagram?

Thanks

EDIT: Apologies if this may seem like a double post
 
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thomas49th said:
Please consider

http://gyazo.com/e5c5b4f7808a63e7e664440259ac3058

I agree with all notes made on that slide, but I don't actually get how they constructed the diagram from that? I understand that they line represents frequency so going to 0 to infinity means the line would travel from -0.5 to 0, but HOW DO THEY KNOW what the size values the curve peak at on the imaginary axis?

Further, it says phase decreases from -180 to -270, I agree from the transfer function, but how does this look on the Nyquist diagram? How does phase affect the Nyquist diagram?

Thanks

EDIT: Apologies if this may seem like a double post

Perhaps you should consider reducing the given transfer function into real and imaginary components. So then:
\frac{1}{(jω + 1)(jω + 2)(jω - 1)} = \frac{-2}{(1 + ω^2)(4 + ω^2)} + j\frac{ω}{(1 + ω^2)(4 + ω^2)}
This should help pick out any particular relationships or extrema of the real and imaginary components, as well as phase relationships since ##\phi = tan^{-1}(Im/Re)##.
 

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