How does positive charge spread out in conductors?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the behavior of positive charge in conductors, specifically how excess positive charge spreads over the surface of a conductor, such as a metal sphere. Participants explore the implications of charge distribution and the movement of electrons versus protons in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that excess positive charges in a conductor will spread out over its surface, questioning how this occurs given that protons cannot move and only electrons can.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion that positive charge spreads out, asking for a textbook reference to support this claim and stating that it is not true.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the presence of excess positive charge implies a lack of electrons, questioning whether one would expect an uneven distribution of electrons across the conductor's surface.
  • Another participant defends the initial claim by arguing that it is not necessary to focus on the movement of electrons in discussions of electrical concepts, suggesting that positive and negative charges can be treated similarly in many contexts.
  • The same participant also references the concept of "holes" in solid-state physics as an example of treating charge carriers in a non-traditional manner.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the nature of charge distribution in conductors, with no consensus reached on the validity of the initial claim about positive charge spreading out.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of charge distribution and the roles of electrons and protons in conductors, as well as the applicability of models across different contexts.

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I know that when there are excess positive charges in a conductor, for example, a metal sphere, the positive charges will spread out over its surface. However, I am confused about how this excess charge spreads out over the surface, if protons cannot move and only electrons can move.
Can someone please inform me on how the excess positive charge spreads out over the surfaces of conductors?
 
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jperentosh said:
I know that when there are excess positive charges in a conductor, for example, a metal sphere, the positive charges will spread out over its surface. However, I am confused about how this excess charge spreads out over the surface, if protons cannot move and only electrons can move.
Can someone please inform me on how the excess positive charge spreads out over the surfaces of conductors?

How do you "know" this? Could you provide a textbook reference that states this? It is not true...
 
Just imagine the situation. Excess positive charge means there is a lack of electrons. Would you really expect that in that case, say left side of the sphere would stay without electrons, and all electrons on the right side of the sphere would stay there?
 
berkeman said:
How do you "know" this? Could you provide a textbook reference that states this? It is not true...

I think you are being a bit harsh here. It is not necessary to discuss nuts and bolts (electrons) in the context of most matters electrical. You can treat Positive and Negative elecrostatic charges in exactly the same way in many or even most cases. Any decent model of electricity should work just as well in a world of antimatter - even if we have only, so far, produced about 30 Anti-Hydrogen atoms.

Do we not discuss Holes in solid state physics?
 

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