How Does Resistance Affect Power Loss in Electrical Circuits?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between resistance and power loss in electrical circuits, particularly focusing on the equations P=VI, P=I²R, and P=V²/R. Participants explore how these equations apply to scenarios involving high voltage and current, and the implications for power loss in transmission lines versus loads.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that P=I²R indicates power loss increases with the square of the current, suggesting high voltage is used to minimize current and thus power loss during energy transmission.
  • Another participant argues that at constant voltage, power is proportional to current, questioning the notion of high voltage in power applications.
  • A different perspective emphasizes that the relationship between current, voltage, and resistance must be considered together, indicating that increasing voltage affects current and thus power calculations.
  • One participant highlights the distinction between power lost in the wire and the overall circuit, suggesting that minimizing current is crucial for reducing power loss in transmission lines.
  • There is a suggestion that while P=V²/R is mathematically correct, it may not be practically useful for calculating power loss in transmission without knowing the current.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the power equations, particularly regarding the roles of voltage and current in minimizing power loss. There is no consensus on the best approach to understanding these relationships, and multiple competing perspectives remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the relationships between current, voltage, and resistance, and how these affect power loss in different parts of a circuit. Some assumptions about fixed parameters and their interdependencies are discussed but not resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in electrical engineering, physics, and related fields who are exploring the dynamics of power loss in electrical circuits and the implications of resistance in practical applications.

Tomtom
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Hi. Something which has been bugging me a bit lately, is this:
I've learned at school that from P=V*I and V=IR, we can insert the second equation in the first, and get P=I^2*R. This equation shows (probably amongst more things) that the power emitted in a wire is the square of the current, and is why when transmitting large amounts of energy, high voltage is used, so that the current is small, and hence, power loss, too, is small.

However, by rearranging the second equation to I=V/R, I can insert it to give P=V^2/R. Now, why isn't this correct is the above situation? This should mean that we should have a large current, and small voltage.
 
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I think you're over complicating this.

Just think of the P=VI equation. At constant voltage the power (delivered by the circuit) is proportional to the current. At constant voltage the power is proportional to the current.

For high power applications what do you mean high voltage is used? I think power cables both are high...

If there is a different approach it would be due to the resistance. In most electrical applications R is small. So in P=I^2.R a small resistance makes the power smaller. In P=V^2/R a small resistance makes P bigger. I should state this is all guess work on my part.
 
I think that the key to understanding this is contained within your own statement;
...This equation shows (probably amongst more things) that the power emitted in a wire is the square of the current...
I added the emphasis because I believe it points to the specific line of thought you're looking for.

Did it?
 
Tomtom said:
Hi. Something which has been bugging me a bit lately, is this:
I've learned at school that from P=V*I and V=IR, we can insert the second equation in the first, and get P=I^2*R. This equation shows (probably amongst more things) that the power emitted in a wire is the square of the current, and is why when transmitting large amounts of energy, high voltage is used, so that the current is small, and hence, power loss, too, is small.

However, by rearranging the second equation to I=V/R, I can insert it to give P=V^2/R. Now, why isn't this correct is the above situation? This should mean that we should have a large current, and small voltage.

It is correct, but you cannot think of the current, voltage, and resistance as independent parameters. In P=V2/R, the current is fixed by the values of V and R, and cannot arbitrarily be changed. If you have a fixed resistance value, and you increase the voltage by a factor of 2, the current will also increase by a factor of 2, causing a power increase of 4x. This is why the V term is squared. The reason the R term is on the bottom is that if for a fixed voltage situation, you decrease the resistance to 1/2 its original value, you have just increased the current to twice the original value. Because the voltage is the same, the power is twice the original value as well (due to the increased current).
 
Tomtom said:
However, by rearranging the second equation to I=V/R, I can insert it to give P=V^2/R. Now, why isn't this correct is the above situation? This should mean that we should have a large current, and small voltage.
You must distinguish between the power lost in the transmitting wire and power lost in the whole circuit (wire+load).

we want to minimize power lost in the wire at the fixed power at load P(load):

P(wire)=I*V(wire)=I^2*R(wire)

Obviously we must minimize I. Since the same I also runs through the load, we get:

I=P(load)/V(load),

so we must maximize V(load)

The equation

P(wire)=V(wire)^2/R,

is correct, but useless since we can't calculate V(wire) directly from the
power or voltage on the load (we can only calculate it from current I).
 

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