How Does Subtracting and Adding Masses Affect Acceleration in a Force Equation?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of mass changes on acceleration within the context of Newton's second law, specifically examining how subtracting and adding two masses (m1 and m2) influences the resulting acceleration when a constant force is applied.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration using the equation F=ma. There are attempts to express the masses in terms of the force and their respective accelerations. Questions arise regarding the signs of the results and the implications of negative values in the context of mass differences.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem by suggesting to express the masses in terms of the force and accelerations. There is an acknowledgment of a potential error in the original poster's calculations regarding the order of subtraction for the masses, which has led to confusion about the signs of the results.

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Participants note that the problem involves specific accelerations for two different masses under the same force, which may lead to assumptions about the relationship between the masses that need to be clarified. There is also mention of a potential oversight in the calculations that could affect the interpretation of the results.

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Homework Statement



A certain force gives an object of mass m1 an acceleration of 11.9 m/s^2 and an object of mass m2 an acceleration of 2.8 m/s^2. What acceleration would the force give to an object of mass

m2 - m1

and

m2 + m1?

Homework Equations



F=ma
Force = mass*acceleration

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that a = F/(m2-m1).
11.9*m1 = F and 2.8*m2 = F, so I know that 11.9*m1 = 2.8*m2, because F is the same throughout.
Therefore, m1= F/11.9 and m2= F/2.8. Now m1- m2= F/11.9- F/2.8= -0.273109F.
This would lead me to believe that -0.273109F = m1-m2, so if a=F/(m2-m1), then a should be F/-0.273109F, which is -3.661.

However, that is not coming up as correct. I haven't attempted the m2+m1 mass, because I am trying to figure out the first one, and when I do, it should be easy to compute.EDIT- Well, never mind. Apparently, it was 3.66, without the negative. Where did I go wrong with the negative?
 
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mcdowellmg said:

Homework Statement



A certain force gives an object of mass m1 an acceleration of 11.9 m/s^2 and an object of mass m2 an acceleration of 2.8 m/s^2. What acceleration would the force give to an object of mass

m2 - m1

and

m2 + m1?

Homework Equations



F=ma
Force = mass*acceleration

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that a = F/(m2-m1).
11.9*m1 = F and 2.8*m2 = F, so I know that 11.9*m1 = 2.8*m2, because F is the same throughout.
Therefore, m1= F/11.9 and m2= F/2.8. Now m1- m2= F/11.9- F/2.8= -0.273109F.
This would lead me to believe that -0.273109F = m1-m2, so if a=F/(m2-m1), then a should be F/-0.273109F, which is -3.661.
Start with:

F/a_1 = m_1 \text{ and } F/a_2 = m_2

From that work out m2-m1 and m1+m2 in terms of F, a1 and a2. Then find the accelerations for m2-m1 and m2+m1

AM
 
In the problem they have asked the acceleration of m2 - m1 which is equal to 3,661 m/s^2
 
Andrew Mason said:
Start with:

F/a_1 = m_1 \text{ and } F/a_2 = m_2

From that work out m2-m1 and m1+m2 in terms of F, a1 and a2. Then find the accelerations for m2-m1 and m2+m1

AM

the -0.273109F u got is m1-m2,and u used it as m2-m1 to find the acceleration.its just a careless error noting more
 

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