How Does Torque Affect the Movement of Unequal Weights on a Wheel?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of torque on the movement of unequal weights on a wheel, specifically in two hypothetical scenarios involving weights connected by a cable around a wheel. The focus is on calculating acceleration and required torque for different weight configurations, with applications potentially related to elevator systems in vertical shaft mines.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two scenarios involving 16T and 12T weights and seeks to understand the acceleration and top speed achievable with a motor producing 40Nm of torque.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of the calculations without knowing the radius of the wheel.
  • A participant clarifies the relationship between torque, force, and radius, noting that power is needed for the second scenario rather than torque.
  • One participant provides the radius of the wheel as 1m and attempts to relate torque to force and speed.
  • Another participant suggests that an acceleration of 1m/s² should be sufficient for the first case.

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Participants express uncertainty about the calculations and the necessary parameters, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific outcomes and calculations for the scenarios presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the radius of the wheel and the need for clarity on the definitions of torque and power in the context of the scenarios.

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I tried a google search on the question I am about to ask but i get everything except for what i want... :(

I have 2 situations:
i have 2 16Tonne weights connected to each other via cable, and then hung around a wheel so that the 2 weights hang side by side with no movement. If i then connect a motor which produces 40Nm of Torque to the wheel (assume no loss in any of the mechanical compartments), how fast would the weight accelerate and what top speed would they have (if that's even possible to calculate). (yes, one weight would go down and the other go up).

Situation 2:
similar to the one above except now the weights ARE NOT equal, one is 16T and the other 12T. What torque motor would i need to get the 16T weight moving upwards at 2m/s ?

To be honest, i thought i could do this when i was asked to do something similar, but when i sat down to do it, i was lost. It's been a while since i have done any physics and as i said, google gave me nothing useful from what i could tell.

Are these questions even answerable?

Any help is greatly appreciated!
 
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These calcs are doable?
 
Not without the radius of the wheel.

torque = force * radius
weight = mass * 9.8 m/s²

For your second question the answer has units of power, not torque.
power = force * velocity
 
sorry yes, radius of wheel is 1m, (2m diameter).

These both are hypothetical but potentially real questions with regards to vertical shaft mines. An elevator system if you like.

So, in the case of
1), 40 = F * 1 = 40N --> so it takes 40N of force to move it 1m/s ?

as for 2), if i can get 1), 2 is not needed.
 
for case 1)

I think an acceleration of even 1m/s should be sufficient
 

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