How Fast is the Distance Between Two Ships Changing at 4:00 P.M.?

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At noon, ship A is 150 km west of ship B, with ship A moving east at 35 km/h and ship B moving north at 25 km/h. The problem involves calculating how fast the distance between the two ships is changing at 4:00 P.M. A solution using geometry and related rates yields a rate of 21.5 km/h, but attempts to apply relative velocity result in discrepancies. The discussion highlights confusion over the application of relative motion laws and the correct setup of the problem for calculating distance changes. Ultimately, the participants are working through the complexities of the mathematics involved in the scenario.
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Homework Statement



At noon, ship A is 150 km west of ship B. Ship A is sailing east
at 35 km
h and ship B is sailing north at 25 km
h. How fast is
the distance between the ships changing at 4:00 P.M.?

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I did it using geometry and related rates and got 21.5 which was the answer
but I when I try to do it using relative velocity it doesn't work:
I am taking the first ship initial location as the origin
rai=0
rbi=150i
ra=0+35ti
rb=150i+25tj
ra/b=a/g +ag/b
ra/b=0+35ti - 150i+25tj
ra/b=(35t-150)i + 25tj
dr(a/b) /dt = 35i+25j
and the magnitude is the way more than 21.5
I feel like I am doing something really wrong or setup the problem wrong.
 
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hi madah12! :smile:

suppose that a is stationary at (0,0), and b is at cosθti + sinθtj …

then using your method dr/dt = sinθti - cosθtj,

which is not the same as d|r|/dt, is it? :wink:
 
oh yes I see d|r|/dt = 0 right cause |r|= 1 for all t? but then does the relative motion law holds for distances if not then I can't solve this problem using relative motion?
Edit
but we can still say that |s|= dD/dt = d ((25t)^2 + (150-35t)^2)^1/2 /dt right?
 
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madah12 said:
but we can still say that |s|= dD/dt = d ((25t)^2 + (150-35t)^2)^1/2 /dt right?

(have a square-root: √ and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)

right! :smile:
 
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