How Fast is the Man Walking as His Shadow Changes?

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The problem involves a man walking away from a streetlight while his shadow length changes. The scenario includes a height comparison between the man and the streetlight, and the rate at which the shadow length is changing is given. Participants are tasked with determining the man's walking speed based on these parameters.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of similar triangles to relate the lengths of the shadow and the distances involved. There are attempts to formulate the relationship between shadow length and distance from the pole. Some participants express confusion over the calculations and seek clarification on the equations used.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different mathematical approaches and questioning the validity of their equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of derivatives and the chain rule, but there is no clear consensus on the correct method or solution at this point.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem's parameters, including the heights of the man and the streetlight, and the rate of change of the shadow length. There is also a noted difficulty in interpreting the equations and deriving meaningful results from them.

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Homework Statement



A man 6 feet tall walks away from a streetlight that is 18 feet tall. If the length of his shadow is changing at a rate of 3 feet per second when he is 25 feet away from the base of the light, how fast is he walking away from the light at this moment?

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Trying to figure it out.

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hi erix335

consider the triangle made by the shadow tip and the street light

and then the triangle made by the shadow tip and the man

you should be able to see they are similar triangles

use this to try and write the length of the shadow, s, as a function of the distance, d, the man is from the pole s(d)=?.

once you have that you differentiate to find the rate of change
 
2s(ds/dt)= (25-3t)^2 + ?(18-6t)^2
2(30.8 hyp of triangle) = 2(25-3t)3+2*18-6t)6
61.4=(50-6t)3+(36-12t)6
=366-90t
-304.6/-90=t
t=304.6/90 or 3.38...which seems to be a right answer but the second part of my equation had no real thought behind it.

I seem to be stuck in the initial equation, and the 3.38 is the value of t, which means I would have to put it under 25, giving me a bit of a ridiculous answer.
 
erix335 said:
2s(ds/dt)= (25-3t)^2 + ?(18-6t)^2
2(30.8 hyp of triangle) = 2(25-3t)3+2*18-6t)6
61.4=(50-6t)3+(36-12t)6
=366-90t
-304.6/-90=t
t=304.6/90 or 3.38...which seems to be a right answer but the second part of my equation had no real thought behind it.

I seem to be stuck in the initial equation, and the 3.38 is the value of t, which means I would have to put it under 25, giving me a bit of a ridiculous answer.

sorry i can't understand what you have done, can you explain it?
 
took the derivative of the speed and hypotenuse equation...or so I thought, then filled in for T and put it under the distance (25)
 
what was the hypotenuse equation?

i would start by finding s(x), as a function of the distance the man is from the pole
s = shadow length
x = distance of man from pole (sorry, had to change d=x for noatation in the derivative, otherwise it was too hard to read)

then using the chain rule
\frac{ds}{dt}= \frac{ds}{dx}\frac{dx}{dt}
 

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